For someone who has been in the county for 20 years . . . . . . you would think that you could learn how to spell C-O-N-N-E-R . . . . . . .

 

The skys are not as overcast and as gray as you try to make it out to be.

 

I think that it is pretty easy to come on a message board and share one side of the story. Especially you know that Coach Tom isn't going to waste his time replying to your negative threads.

 

The truth is one thing--but the post that you wrote up--then took off on the Campbell County thread doesn't speak to a very complete understanding of the situation . . . . . .

 

There are things that need to improve . . . . . but to imply that they aren't means that you are not paying very good attention.

 

Quickslick,

 

Thanks for the spelling lesson. If you are defending the state of CONNER football right now by correcting the spelling of it, that only the proves the "head in the sand" mentality that is apparently going on.

My comments were not directed to Coach and were in general if you paid attention to what I wrote, and to be most clear I did not remove or edit the comments on the Campbell County thread. Someone else did that.

The fact that you are saying there is another side of the story and that there is a situation that I am not understanding, only confirms that there is one, which is what I was talking about in the first place.

 

As far as things not being as gray and overcast perhaps you have another color that you would call the Holmes game or the 42 to 7 yesterday, I can assure you they weren't Cougar Blue.

As far as paying attention, I pay plenty attention and I only see it getting worse.

You can call it a negative thread, but I call it reality and the team deserves better.

Dixie 27

Conner 6

 

Conner couldn't score on Holmes, so I don't see them putting up alot of points on Dixie either.

For someone who has been in the county for 20 years . . . . . . you would think that you could learn how to spell C-O-N-N-E-R . . . . . . .

 

The skys are not as overcast and as gray as you try to make it out to be.

 

I think that it is pretty easy to come on a message board and share one side of the story. Especially you know that Coach Tom isn't going to waste his time replying to your negative threads.

 

The truth is one thing--but the post that you wrote up--then took off on the Campbell County thread doesn't speak to a very complete understanding of the situation . . . . . .

 

There are things that need to improve . . . . . but to imply that they aren't means that you are not paying very good attention.

 

Well said. Work it out in house Cgrrrblu. If you truly are a supporter then support. Airing out your sour grapes for all to see does nothing to instill confidence in a team when it is struggling. Have you gone to the source and talked one on one with the coach? At least show the coach that much respect. If you have, and did not get your way, be mature enough about it to move on and find positive ways to make a difference, or at least wait until the end of the year and work it out in house. This situation at Conner is a test. It is an opportunity to learn perseverance and character. Anyone can have great character when things are going well. The real question here is what kind of character do you want to instill. What kind of example do you want to set for our players? Gripe, carp, and complain to try and get your way even if it means tearing a team apart? We have enough of those “me only” sports stars already, just ask Mr. D. McNabb. I suggest a better example. Let's try our best even when we are not getting our way. Let's try to constantly be improving ourselves and our team even when things are bad and the sky is the darkest. Let's find positive ways to make change if and when change is necessary. That is true leadership and that is a much better life lesson for these young men to learn.

Well said. Work it out in house Cgrrrblu. If you truly are a supporter then support. Airing out your sour grapes for all to see does nothing to instill confidence in a team when it is struggling. Have you gone to the source and talked one on one with the coach? At least show the coach that much respect. If you have, and did not get your way, be mature enough about it to move on and find positive ways to make a difference, or at least wait until the end of the year and work it out in house. This situation at Conner is a test. It is an opportunity to learn perseverance and character. Anyone can have great character when things are going well. The real question here is what kind of character do you want to instill. What kind of example do you want to set for our players? Gripe, carp, and complain to try and get your way even if it means tearing a team apart? We have enough of those “me only” sports stars already, just ask Mr. D. McNabb. I suggest a better example. Let's try our best even when we are not getting our way. Let's try to constantly be improving ourselves and our team even when things are bad and the sky is the darkest. Let's find positive ways to make change if and when change is necessary. That is true leadership and that is a much better life lesson for these young men to learn.

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Quickslick,

 

Thanks for the spelling lesson. If you are defending the state of CONNER football right now by correcting the spelling of it, that only the proves the "head in the sand" mentality that is apparently going on.

My comments were not directed to Coach and were in general if you paid attention to what I wrote, and to be most clear I did not remove or edit the comments on the Campbell County thread. Someone else did that.

The fact that you are saying there is another side of the story and that there is a situation that I am not understanding, only confirms that there is one, which is what I was talking about in the first place.

 

As far as things not being as gray and overcast perhaps you have another color that you would call the Holmes game or the 42 to 7 yesterday, I can assure you they weren't Cougar Blue.

As far as paying attention, I pay plenty attention and I only see it getting worse.

You can call it a negative thread, but I call it reality and the team deserves better.

 

I am not defending anything other than the fact that YOU--being such a big fan--can't even spell the school name correctly--that and the fact that and the fact that you are trying to act like you didn't post a very classless reply in the Campbell County thread.

 

You can try to slither and hide with these comments . . . . . but I was one of the few who was "quick" enough to read your original post about the Campbell County game before you or someone else got rid of it. And if I remember correctly--it was directed at the coach.

 

And even if it didn't (which it did)--when you start to question who is playing over who isn't--the last time I checked--that was the coaches decision.

 

If you want to know why others are not playing--do yourself a favor and give Tom a call. I have this crazy feeling that he will tell you exactly why others are not on the field at this point (which is probably exactly what you DON'T want to hear).

 

As a Conner graduate--things could definitely be better. But--it isn't for LACK OF TRYING. I agree--the kids of Conner deserve better--but you fail to mention that that is a two way street. It is easy for people to point the finger--especially when you are not sitting in the coaches office--hearing what goes on behind the scenes.

I am not defending anything other than the fact that YOU--being such a big fan--can't even spell the school name correctly--that and the fact that and the fact that you are trying to act like you didn't post a very classless reply in the Campbell County thread.

 

You can try to slither and hide with these comments . . . . . but I was one of the few who was "quick" enough to read your original post about the Campbell County game before you or someone else got rid of it. And if I remember correctly--it was directed at the coach.

 

And even if it didn't (which it did)--when you start to question who is playing over who isn't--the last time I checked--that was the coaches decision.

 

If you want to know why others are not playing--do yourself a favor and give Tom a call. I have this crazy feeling that he will tell you exactly why others are not on the field at this point (which is probably exactly what you DON'T want to hear).

 

As a Conner graduate--things could definitely be better. But--it isn't for LACK OF TRYING. I agree--the kids of Conner deserve better--but you fail to mention that that is a two way street. It is easy for people to point the finger--especially when you are not sitting in the coaches office--hearing what goes on behind the scenes.

 

 

Well I am not sure why you are implying that I am a snake and am hiding from the comments. I would gladly post them again if I thought I wasn't breaking a rule. Like I said, I didn't edit them. Apparently someone didn't feel they needed to be out there and like I have said before, if I broke a forum rule, I did not mean to and I apologize for it.

I care about Conner and the sweat and devotion of these kids.

I gladly take ownership of my comments It was NOT directed at the head coach only, but you are right, it is ultimatley his responsibility.

You and I probably already know why the others aren't playing, I am amazed that no one else appears to care about that.

I believe Conner is better than what is out there right now. And I don't see any kind of committment on either side to improve it.

As far as asking the Coach,

if I thought I would get a straight and logical answer I would ask.

I DO know what is going on behind the scenes, and it is showing up on the playing field.

All I am saying is, it doesn't appear that EVERYONE is on the same page, and perception ususally/eventually, does become reality.

You seem to imply that a coach, not just this coach, at the high school level is above criticism, or questioning. Whether it be on a board, in person, in public or behind closed doors.

Pee Wee is long gone. When salaries and taxes are involved, performance will always be an issue. And the people that pay the taxes and donate their time and money and effort will eventually expect an answer.

 

Go Cougars!

Well I am not sure why you are implying that I am a snake and am hiding from the comments. I would gladly post them again if I thought I wasn't breaking a rule. Like I said, I didn't edit them. Apparently someone didn't feel they needed to be out there and like I have said before, if I broke a forum rule, I did not mean to and I apologize for it.

I care about Conner and the sweat and devotion of these kids.

I gladly take ownership of my comments It was NOT directed at the head coach only, but you are right, it is ultimatley his responsibility.

You and I probably already know why the others aren't playing, I am amazed that no one else appears to care about that.

I believe Conner is better than what is out there right now. And I don't see any kind of committment on either side to improve it.

As far as asking the Coach,

if I thought I would get a straight and logical answer I would ask.

I DO know what is going on behind the scenes, and it is showing up on the playing field.

All I am saying is, it doesn't appear that EVERYONE is on the same page, and perception ususally/eventually, does become reality.

You seem to imply that a coach, not just this coach, at the high school level is above criticism, or questioning. Whether it be on a board, in person, in public or behind closed doors.

Pee Wee is long gone. When salaries and taxes are involved, performance will always be an issue. And the people that pay the taxes and donate their time and money and effort will eventually expect an answer.

 

Go Cougars!

 

 

As far as asking the coach--you REALLY don't think that you will get a straight and logical answer?

 

Is that a joke?

 

No offense--but could the real reason why you don't ask is because you are not real interested to hear the answer?

 

If there is one thing that I know about Coach Tom--he doesn't have integrity issues. And that is exactly what you are implying (which is pretty funny from where I am sitting). I think that you should man up and ask him--see what he says--then decide for yourself whether you feel like the answer is straight and logical.

 

I think that the reality of the situation isn't that everyone isn't on the same page ...... I think that they have inexperience at some very key positions. Not to mention that there isn't a lot of skill/speed at those positions. In time--that may change. If there were better players on the sidelines--I am confident that they would be in the game.

 

That isn't meant to be a knock on those kids--and they shouldn't take it as such--because most of them have time to improve.

 

As far as the phantom post goes--I don't think that it was against the rules . . . . . . but I do think that it was somewhere been hypocritical and uninformed. Naturally--you feel different. But I have been around Conner my entire life--and I can tell you that I wouldn't call you a Conner fan . . . . .more like someone who wanted to air their dirty laundry on a message board when you could take the time and find out the truth . . . . . . . . . . if that is offensive to you--I apologize. But that is what I thought when I read it.

Originally Posted by Cgrrrblu

You and I probably already know why the others aren't playing, I am amazed that no one else appears to care about that.

 

We care but I do not think the public forum is the place to air your problems during the middle of the season. What possible good will come from it at this time besides making yourself feel better and the damage it may cause is even greater.

 

As far as asking the Coach,

if I thought I would get a straight and logical answer I would ask

 

Nice assumption, easy way out. You get to voice you criticisms against faceless challengers without concern to the dissension it may cause during the height of the season. Who knows you might make believers out of each other. But no, it's easier to assume the worse and then act on that assumption as if it was the truth rather than find out what that truth really is.

 

perception ususally/eventually, does become reality.

 

:confused: Really? What about all those athletes who were perceived to be too short, too slow, too dumb, yet went on to achieve greatness in their sports. Perception varies with the individual, the circumstances, and the situation and so on. Truth is reality. Perception is only the way we look at it.

 

You seem to imply that a coach, not just this coach, at the high school level is above criticism, or questioning. Whether it be on a board, in person, in public or behind closed doors.

 

No they are not above criticism. But timing is everything. The middle of the season is not the time. For this team to improve, they or any team must come together as 1 unit. Do you really think criticizing the coach in public at this time will help that unity?

 

Pee Wee is long gone. When salaries and taxes are involved, performance will always be an issue. And the people that pay the taxes and donate their time and money and effort will eventually expect an answer

 

:thumb: Well said. I can tell you are very passionate about the Cougars and care greatly about the team. When the season is over let's come together and address those answers we seek. And while we are at it, let's make sure we are asking the right questions.

 

Go Cougars!

 

:dancingpa We can agree on that!!!

As far as asking the coach--you REALLY don't think that you will get a straight and logical answer?

 

Is that a joke?

 

No offense--but could the real reason why you don't ask is because you are not real interested to hear the answer?

 

If there is one thing that I know about Coach Tom--he doesn't have integrity issues. And that is exactly what you are implying (which is pretty funny from where I am sitting). I think that you should man up and ask him--see what he says--then decide for yourself whether you feel like the answer is straight and logical.

 

I think that the reality of the situation isn't that everyone isn't on the same page ...... I think that they have inexperience at some very key positions. Not to mention that there isn't a lot of skill/speed at those positions. In time--that may change. If there were better players on the sidelines--I am confident that they would be in the game.

 

That isn't meant to be a knock on those kids--and they shouldn't take it as such--because most of them have time to improve.

 

As far as the phantom post goes--I don't think that it was against the rules . . . . . . but I do think that it was somewhere been hypocritical and uninformed. Naturally--you feel different. But I have been around Conner my entire life--and I can tell you that I wouldn't call you a Conner fan . . . . .more like someone who wanted to air their dirty laundry on a message board when you could take the time and find out the truth . . . . . . . . . . if that is offensive to you--I apologize. But that is what I thought when I read it.

 

quickslick,

 

Wow this just keeps getting tougher and tougher. I go from being a snake to now not being man enough to ask a question I already know the answer to. You seem to be more bent on defending your friend than actually "hearing" what I have to say. That's ok. I am giving up on trying to convince you that I am not out to get anybody. I am giving up on trying to convince you that I am a Cougar fan, which by the way you really don't have to be around Conner all your life to be one.

I have no dirty laundry.

I already know the truth.

I am not offended by any of your remarks and name calling.

I NEVER said EVER that there were players on the sideline that were BETTER than the ones playing.

I originally made the comment that there are players on the sideline that are not any WORSE than the ones playing and that it seems odd that they are not being used to keep the starters fresh so they can still have gas for the end or second half which appears to be only part of the current problem.

IT IS OBVIOUS that we do not have experience (see previous comment about players on the sidelines) at key positions.

And yes, everyone that actually watches the game can observe that we are a wee bit short at speed/skilled position players.

Are we tanking the season because of this? I hope not!!!!

Now, to finish let me just say that if I ever needed a friend to defend me (of course if my integrity was up to standards) I would hope that I had a person like you in my corner.

I will go crawl back in my snake hole and let everyone else go about their team first..... character building business.....

and I will know better next time than to give my opinion and account of what I see with my own two eyes and hear with my own two ears. Heaven forbid we have to row on both sides of the boat.

 

Go Cougars!

Originally Posted by Cgrrrblu

 

 

We care but I do not think the public forum is the place to air your problems during the middle of the season. What possible good will come from it at this time besides making yourself feel better and the damage it may cause is even greater.

 

 

 

Nice assumption, easy way out. You get to voice you criticisms against faceless challengers without concern to the dissension it may cause during the height of the season. Who knows you might make believers out of each other. But no, it's easier to assume the worse and then act on that assumption as if it was the truth rather than find out what that truth really is.

 

 

 

:confused: Really? What about all those athletes who were perceived to be too short, too slow, too dumb, yet went on to achieve greatness in their sports. Perception varies with the individual, the circumstances, and the situation and so on. Truth is reality. Perception is only the way we look at it.

 

 

 

No they are not above criticism. But timing is everything. The middle of the season is not the time. For this team to improve, they or any team must come together as 1 unit. Do you really think criticizing the coach in public at this time will help that unity?

 

 

 

:thumb: Well said. I can tell you are very passionate about the Cougars and care greatly about the team. When the season is over let's come together and address those answers we seek. And while we are at it, let's make sure we are asking the right questions.

 

 

 

:dancingpa We can agree on that!!!

 

Vintage,

 

Thank you for your input. Really.

I am not trying to tear the team apart. I am not trying to cause doubt in these players. I do not have sour grapes even. I have no agenda other than "what the hec is going on out there"! If I saw something at the begining of the season, I would have said it then, but my timing only is inspired by these last two games, I not only do not see improvement but I don't see any effort. That is a problem no matter what time of the year it is.

My perception becomes reality schpeel was probably not the best analogy because I was not talking about just the players. I am fully aware of the overachiever underdog. My favorite species. Buy my point of my perception analogy is...if it smells like crap, looks like crap, it is probably crap.

 

let's make it clear for the record one last time.....my original post criticized the entire effort. I did not blame it all on one coach or coaches. I said it stunk from top to bottom and I cited instances and reasons and observations.

I believe that everone that participated already knows it was a bad performance all the way around top to bottom. I did not intend for it to be a revelation. I described the effort on this forum for those that were not in attendance. The ones that asked for a score or an update or details about the game. I called it as I saw it (see comment: smells like, looks like)

apparently others do not like me calling it as I see it. That has now become obvious. I do not see where I am doing damage to the team or the coaches pride by letting them know that we saw it and it was ugly. Two games ugly. And unless someone gets the pooper scooper ( which I will gladly man if it would help) it is going to get uglier.

 

In the meantime.... GO COUGARS!

I do not have a problem with calling a spade a spade. We played badly over all and we must improve. I know that, you know that, the kids know that, and the coaches know that. I only disagee on the specifics. I don't believe in publicly critizing a coach or a player during the season. I have never seen it be constructive only destructive and I have years of experience in these matters. Go to him privately and do it all you want. It's one thing to say the team played badly but to start calling out the coaches publicly now is not going to help any of the players perform or play better. Keep it in house. You can get your point across very well without going too far, and I am sure you do not want to cast doubt in these players, but what you said can and will do that. As far as effort is concerned, if you are talking about the players as a team, I have not seen them quit yet. I think they have shown plenty of effort.

 

If nothing else I guess we can agree to disagree on this. I really appreciate your passion for our team. They know they have areas that need BIG improvements. When they read this I want them to know that they can do it with what they have. I want them to know that I am behind them 100% and they will only loose if they quit giving 100%.

I do not have a problem with calling a spade a spade. We played badly over all and we must improve. I know that, you know that, the kids know that, and the coaches know that. I only disagee on the specifics. I don't believe in publicly critizing a coach or a player during the season. I have never seen it be constructive only destructive and I have years of experience in these matters. Go to him privately and do it all you want. It's one thing to say the team played badly but to start calling out the coaches publicly now is not going to help any of the players perform or play better. Keep it in house. You can get your point across very well without going too far, and I am sure you do not want to cast doubt in these players, but what you said can and will do that. As far as effort is concerned, if you are talking about the players as a team, I have not seen them quit yet. I think they have shown plenty of effort.

 

If nothing else I guess we can agree to disagree on this. I really appreciate your passion for our team. They know they have areas that need BIG improvements. When they read this I want them to know that they can do it with what they have. I want them to know that I am behind them 100% and they will only loose if they quit giving 100%.

 

Vintage,

Thank you for the discussion. I hate not seeing other threads on this board about Conner except the "how bad are we going to beat them" threads. It just looks like no one cares about Conner football. Obviously a few people do. I am one of them. A couple years ago I am sure there was plenty of talk on here. Winning has a funny way of doing that. The proof is in the pudding when it is a down year. Who cares then? They have to want to play for each other and their coaches, and dig in when it gets tough. I know talent wise better days are coming. But I believe in them THIS SEASON. I just hope that nothing is being left on the shelf.

 

GO COUGARS!

Dixie wins with relative ease.

 

As for the state of the Conner football program. If i remember correct, they had a really good team just 2 years ago. They had a rough year last year, and are in the middle of another tough one. Maybe it is just a few down years in talent level, not an insult to any of the players, but every program goes through a down year here and there. I look for the Cougars to be back among the NKY 4A elite in the next few years.

I do not have a problem with calling a spade a spade. We played badly over all and we must improve. I know that, you know that, the kids know that, and the coaches know that. I only disagee on the specifics. I don't believe in publicly critizing a coach or a player during the season. I have never seen it be constructive only destructive and I have years of experience in these matters. Go to him privately and do it all you want. It's one thing to say the team played badly but to start calling out the coaches publicly now is not going to help any of the players perform or play better. Keep it in house. You can get your point across very well without going too far, and I am sure you do not want to cast doubt in these players, but what you said can and will do that. As far as effort is concerned, if you are talking about the players as a team, I have not seen them quit yet. I think they have shown plenty of effort.

 

If nothing else I guess we can agree to disagree on this. I really appreciate your passion for our team. They know they have areas that need BIG improvements. When they read this I want them to know that they can do it with what they have. I want them to know that I am behind them 100% and they will only loose if they quit giving 100%.

 

 

Your first paragraph should be food for thought for every poster on this site in my opinion.

Is anybody gonna talk about the game? Let me know when you want to get back to whats important. Start your own thread if you guys want but stop hijacking this one....