Don't worry, salty UK and Gonzaga fans. At least this writer for the NY Times is taking up your fight.

 

North Carolina’s Dominance Fails to Cover Cheating’s Stain - NYTimes.com

 

Roy Williams, [uNC's] their down-home coach, finds himself celebrated for hill-country wit and hoops acumen.

 

Rival coaches bow as his acolytes.

 

“When it all shakes out,” Gonzaga Coach Mark Few said, “he’ll be one of the Mount Rushmore types in college coaching.”

 

I’d genuflect myself, if only I could administer a mind wipe.

 

Amid the blue-and-white pompoms, few are so rude as to mention that the University of North Carolina, the Microsoft of college basketball, remains enmeshed in a scandal of spectacular proportions. Put simply, for two decades until 2013, the university provided fake classes for many hundreds of student athletes, most of them basketball and football players.

 

Coach Williams’s longtime man Friday, Wayne Walden, a former academic counselor, played switchman, steering basketball players to these classes. A touch of plagiarism, a no-show, were O.K. if it gave the young man more time to work on his drop step. There was one goal: Keep those grade-point averages at the minimum needed to compete for the university.

 

The N.C.A.A. gumshoes have recently awakened from their slumber and, in December, filed a tough set of accusations against the university, the latest in an investigation bending and twisting — some might say stalling — during the past few years.

*sighs*

*sighs*

 

To me it's a discussion worth having but I think the UNC fans should get the chance to celebrate the title the won and earned.

To me it's a discussion worth having but I think the UNC fans should get the chance to celebrate the title the won and earned.

They didn't earn it. UNC in no way should have even been Eligible for the tourney. They should have been given the death sentence. They should have had every game and title stripped from them over

those 18 years of cheating. College is a place of learning not a professional sports franchise. If you can strip away a NCAA title From Thomas More for having a player rehab at an assistant coaches house

for 2 weeks during the off season even after the NCAA told the school it wasn't a violation, then surely having fake classes to have rock heads eligible to play a game is much much worse. These mental

midgets received diplomas and degrees from a University for not attending classes and being enrolled in fake classes for almost 2 decades.

 

No the fans and the school don't deserve to celebrate because they shouldn't have had the opportunity to play in the first place. Roy Williams and Dean Smith are nothing more than cheats.

I'm having trouble getting worked up about this. Call me a bit cynical when it comes to any school not taking care of athletes academically.

 

Plus in UNC's case it wasn't limited to athletes in these classes. Anyone could take these faux classes.

 

It's not as cut and dry as we hear. Can the NCAA punish a school for having a "cake" class offered to every student?

To me it's a discussion worth having but I think the UNC fans should get the chance to celebrate the title the won and earned.

 

It's a dead horse. Everything needed to be known has been out there for a while. Continuing to harp on it will do nothing

They didn't earn it. UNC in no way should have even been Eligible for the tourney. They should have been given the death sentence. They should have had every game and title stripped from them over

those 18 years of cheating. College is a place of learning not a professional sports franchise. If you can strip away a NCAA title From Thomas More for having a player rehab at an assistant coaches house

for 2 weeks during the off season even after the NCAA told the school it wasn't a violation, then surely having fake classes to have rock heads eligible to play a game is much much worse. These mental

midgets received diplomas and degrees from a University for not attending classes and being enrolled in fake classes for almost 2 decades.

 

No the fans and the school don't deserve to celebrate because they shouldn't have had the opportunity to play in the first place. Roy Williams and Dean Smith are nothing more than cheats.

 

The hatred is real. One thing I do know, North Carolina won the 2017 national title.

It's a dead horse. Everything needed to be known has been out there for a while. Continuing to harp on it will do nothing

 

I don't think so.

I'm having trouble getting worked up about this. Call me a bit cynical when it comes to any school not taking care of athletes academically.

 

Plus in UNC's case it wasn't limited to athletes in these classes. Anyone could take these faux classes.

 

It's not as cut and dry as we hear. Can the NCAA punish a school for having a "cake" class offered to every student?

 

The problem is if it is ever tied to direction from the athletics department, then it is institutional control.

Plus in UNC's case it wasn't limited to athletes in these classes. Anyone could take these faux classes.

 

It's not as cut and dry as we hear. Can the NCAA punish a school for having a "cake" class offered to every student?

 

The way I understand it, the classes were only taken by basketball players, football players, and close friends of these players. How is that offered to every student?

The way I understand it, the classes were only taken by basketball players, football players, and close friends of these players. How is that offered to every student?

 

"Offered"

The problem is if it is ever tied to direction from the athletics department, then it is institutional control.

 

 

I guess but has anyone shown that UNC set up these classes for all students as subterfuge for athletes?

 

Have we had a similar case previously?

 

This seems to be more of an issue for whatever organization accredits universities.

 

If the university deemed it a valid class for all students and athletes took advantage of an easy grade is it a sports issue or something else? Is it any different than taking a racquetball class like I did in 1985? Easy A.

The way I understand it, the classes were only taken by basketball players, football players, and close friends of these players. How is that offered to every student?

 

About half of the students who took these classes were athletes.

I'm having trouble getting worked up about this. Call me a bit cynical when it comes to any school not taking care of athletes academically.

 

Plus in UNC's case it wasn't limited to athletes in these classes. Anyone could take these faux classes.

 

It's not as cut and dry as we hear. Can the NCAA punish a school for having a "cake" class offered to every student?

When a class isn't credited means it was a fake class. Much different from a "cake" class.

How the school still holds its accreditation is the biggest joke of all. I guess Trump University should be opened back up