Courts for being a job killer?

For exceeding his constitutional authority. The EPA's job is to promulgate regulations to enforce legislation, not to legislate. Liberals seem to have a very hard time understanding that concept, and that includes former President Obama.

Assume my answers are not favorable to President Obama.

 

Your questions are still moot UNLESS you can show me where they would not have an impact.

Sorry, Clyde your authority here does not include the ability to render my arguments moot with a simple declaration. Shutting down all mining and manufacturing would result in a cleaner environment, once millions of people died as a consequence of an economic disaster, followed by severe shortages of food and water.

 

Do you favor extreme measures to make the environment as clean as possible? I don't. I favor an approach that keeps the economy healthy; keeps people healthy and well fed; and minimizes permanent damage to the environment.

 

What Obama did was to take shots at Trump to play to the environmental extremists who make up part of his base. Trump did the right thing. For Obama, it was just one more petty political gimmick.

Sorry, Clyde your authority here does not include the ability to render my arguments moot with a simple declaration. Shutting down all mining and manufacturing would result in a cleaner environment, once millions of people died as a consequence of an economic disaster, followed by severe shortages of food and water.

 

Do you favor extreme measures to make the environment as clean as possible? I don't. I favor an approach that keeps the economy healthy; keeps people healthy and well fed; and minimizes permanent damage to the environment.

 

What Obama did was to take shots at Trump to play to the environmental extremists who make up part of his base. Trump did the right thing. For Obama, it was just one more petty political gimmick.

 

Get your big boy pants on.

 

When I say something is "moot" I'm expressing MY DAMN OPINION. You don't have to agree but don't take offense and don't take it as me saying you MUST agree. You waste too much time telling me that what I think isn't a must for you to think.

 

To your actual responses:

 

As I said it's a balancing act as far as jobs vs safety. Safety has to be a high priority when it comes to polluting our waters. I can't even imagine that's a debate.

 

So , again, let's talk THIS particular issue and not the politics involved.

 

What part of this issue do you disagree with? What, in your opinion, makes it go too far (or too "extreme") when it comes to clean water? All I've gleaned is "it hurt jobs" which can never be THE reason to repeal something like this.

 

Thoughts?

Get your big boy pants on.

 

When I say something is "moot" I'm expressing MY DAMN OPINION. You don't have to agree but don't take offense and don't take it as me saying you MUST agree. You waste too much time telling me that what I think isn't a must for you to think.

 

To your actual responses:

 

As I said it's a balancing act as far as jobs vs safety. Safety has to be a high priority when it comes to polluting our waters. I can't even imagine that's a debate.

 

So , again, let's talk THIS particular issue and not the politics involved.

 

What part of this issue do you disagree with? What, in your opinion, makes it go too far (or too "extreme") when it comes to clean water? All I've gleaned is "it hurt jobs" which can never be THE reason to repeal something like this.

 

Thoughts?

Declaring a point "moot" is simply a quick way of dodging it. Yes, hurting jobs is always a factor that should be considered when enacting regulations. Obama showed zero concern for jobs in the mining industry for eight years, but even he realized that enacting additional job killing regulations would hurt Hillary Clinton's chances, along with Democrats running down ticket in purple states.

 

Obama declared war on the coal industry and he waged it for eight years, and the coal industry was not alone among his targets. The result was the most anemic economic recovery since the Great Depression. In layman's term, that translated to stagnant wages and a shrinkage of the American workforce. The opportunity cost of electing a socialist as president for two terms was enormous.

 

Politicians are not elected to steadily increase the number of laws and regulations that burden American citizens and companies, but yet that is exactly what has been happening since Ronald Reagan left office. Government grew under Reagan, but what has happened since that time has been unprecedented in American history.

 

This country is headed toward an economic collapse. No country has ever been able to inflate its currency and grow its debt for years on end and avoid the consequences of its actions.

 

People who believe that if some regulation of industry is good, then more regulation has to be better, are the reason that this country is in such a precarious state.

Considering that the coal industry was struggling long before this new regulation, I don't think it makes any difference in bringing back coal jobs.

Considering that the coal industry was struggling long before this new regulation, I don't think it makes any difference in bringing back coal jobs.

It makes a difference long term. Every one of Obama's new regulations on the coal industry should be reviewed by Congress and those that go beyond the intent of the legislation behind them should be rescinded ASAP.

 

Assuming that the GDP begins to grow at a reasonable rate during the next four years, the demand for all fossil fuels will increase and as it does, prices will rise. The damage that Obama has done to the coal industry in having multiple agencies conspiring to deny mining permits during the past 8 years will only be mitigated by rolling back the regulations that were part of Obama's war on coal.

 

But, in the case of eastern Kentucky, Obama's 8 year assault may have put the mining industry in a deep hole from which it will never recover. Trump owes us a chance to recover at some time in the future.

It makes a difference long term. Every one of Obama's new regulations on the coal industry should be reviewed by Congress and those that go beyond the intent of the legislation behind them should be rescinded ASAP.

 

Assuming that the GDP begins to grow at a reasonable rate during the next four years, the demand for all fossil fuels will increase and as it does, prices will rise. The damage that Obama has done to the coal industry in having multiple agencies conspiring to deny mining permits during the past 8 years will only be mitigated by rolling back the regulations that were part of Obama's war on coal.

 

But, in the case of eastern Kentucky, Obama's 8 year assault may have put the mining industry in a deep hole from which it will never recover. Trump owes us a chance to recover at some time in the future.

 

Maybe. But the initial post asked if it's too little, too late... And it's my opinion that it is.

 

I come from a long lineage of coal miners. I hate to see the business go away. But I'm also not in favor of jobs for the sake of jobs if we know its harming the environment.

Maybe. But the initial post asked if it's too little, too late... And it's my opinion that it is.

 

I come from a long lineage of coal miners. I hate to see the business go away. But I'm also not in favor of jobs for the sake of jobs if we know its harming the environment.

I am a former mining engineer in the coal industry. All human activity harms the environment, but we are part of the environment.

 

We can live and strive to minimize permanent damage to the environment, but we should consider that the impact of more than 300 million Americans resorting to horses and buggies would be pretty severe and for many people, that would be the only affordable alternative to life with fossil fuels.

 

Anybody who has seen the environmental damage that resulted in coal mining operations that were conducted prior to the 1977 Surface Mining Control and Reclamation Act knows how much effort has been made to minimize environmental damage from coal mining and how much cleaner our air and water are now compared to the 1970s and before.

 

Coal cannot be extracted from the earth without removing overburden to expose the seams. Nor can any other raw material be mined with zero environmental damage, but humans are a part of the environment and our fate cannot be ignored when writing environmental legislation and regulations.

I am a former mining engineer in the coal industry. All human activity harms the environment, but we are part of the environment.

 

We can live and strive to minimize permanent damage to the environment, but we should consider that the impact of more than 300 million Americans resorting to horses and buggies would be pretty severe and for many people, that would be the only affordable alternative to life with fossil fuels.

 

Anybody who has seen the environmental damage that resulted in coal mining operations that were conducted prior to the 1977 Surface Mining Control and Reclamation Act knows how much effort has been made to minimize environmental damage from coal mining and how much cleaner our air and water are now compared to the 1970s and before.

 

Coal cannot be extracted from the earth without removing overburden to expose the seams. Nor can any other raw material be mined with zero environmental damage, but humans are a part of the environment and our fate cannot be ignored when writing environmental legislation and regulations.

 

I appreciate the thought you put into this post, and will respond accordingly as soon as I'm on a computer as opposed to my phone.

 

I'll only say this for now. My dad was a coal miner before his untimely passing. I idolized him and wanted to follow in his footsteps. He told me that there was absolutely no circumstance where he'd allow that to happen and that it would be out of the area by 2020. While he couldn't have foreseen the regulatory climate that resulted in that being the case, I'm glad he gave me that advice.

 

Granted, banking and dealing with the CFPB is a whole 'nother animal.

Is there a link to how many jobs have been created by him/or how many people are back to work because of him?

I appreciate the thought you put into this post, and will respond accordingly as soon as I'm on a computer as opposed to my phone.

 

I'll only say this for now. My dad was a coal miner before his untimely passing. I idolized him and wanted to follow in his footsteps. He told me that there was absolutely no circumstance where he'd allow that to happen and that it would be out of the area by 2020. While he couldn't have foreseen the regulatory climate that resulted in that being the case, I'm glad he gave me that advice.

 

Granted, banking and dealing with the CFPB is a whole 'nother animal.

I switched careers have worked in IT for more than a dozen years, but I have never stopped supporting the mining industry. The coal seams mined in eastern Kentucky get thinner on average every year (or dirtier, when partings are taken), which makes it more difficult to compete with companies mining thicker or cleaner seams in other states.

 

When I was working in the coal industry, reserves were generally calculated based on a minimum seam thickness of 30 inches, which was the same thickness used for calculations done in the 1920s. There are some exceptions to that rule, such as the Blue Gem seam in SE Kentucky, but for the most part, 30 inches has been the economic limit for nearly a century.

 

Taking the very long view of our species, our civilization will not be able to depend on fossil fuels for electricity forever. If fusion or some yet undiscovered technology is not discovered within the next few hundred years, then the future of humans on this planet will be pretty bleak. In the grand scheme of things, a few hundred years of mining under reasonable regulation is not going to destroy Earth's environment for all time. My guess is that some technology will begin replacing fossil fuels during this century.

Considering that the coal industry was struggling long before this new regulation, I don't think it makes any difference in bringing back coal jobs.

 

The coal industry was struggling, and will continue to struggle, but this Bill may have been the death knell for the coal industry. It gave the EPA way too much power. This will undoubtedly prevent a lot of people from losing their jobs this year.

The Ohio River has been running coal barges from west to east — the wrong way — for a decade or more now. Obama didn't kill that. Logistics and the wildcatter nature of coal companies did that.

The Ohio River has been running coal barges from west to east — the wrong way — for a decade or more now. Obama didn't kill that. Logistics and the wildcatter nature of coal companies did that.

The central Appalachian coal field, which includes eastern Kentucky, is home to the highest quality bituminous coal in the world. Most of the coal mined west of the Mississippi is much lower quality sub-bituminous coal and lignite. The western seams are much thicker, and the coal can be mined much more cheaply than eastern coal, but there will always be a market for the superior quality coal mined in eastern Kentucky, southern WV, western VA, and northern AL. The premature closure of the Kentucky Power plant near Louisa was a devastating blow to eastern Kentucky's economy, and AFAIK, no western coal was ever burned there. Obama did that,

 

You are right about coal-fired plants in areas in western Kentucky, Illinois, etc. Cheap western coal had already begun replacing coal from the central Appalachian coal field before Obama took office. But eastern Kentucky coal's quality allows it to compete in export markets in specialty markets in which western coal cannot compete. However, when mining companies cannot obtain mining permits, they cannot sign coal export contracts.

 

The damage that Obama did to the coal mining industry will be very difficult to mitigate. An entire generation of eastern coal miners have left the mines, so companies wanting to open new mines or re-open existing mines will find it very difficult to find qualified, trained coal miners. Opening a mine is not as easy as flipping a switch and Obama's radical plants at the EPA, OSM, MSHA, Army Corps of Engineers, and other co-conspirators understand that fact.

Arizona Plant Poses First Test of Donald Trump’s Support for Coal Sector - WSJ

 

“We are going to seek a solution based on what we feel needs to be done,” Mr. Begaye said. “Tax breaks, subsidies, a real strong verbiage from the White House, from President Trump himself.”

 

One of the country's biggest coal-fired plants is about to shut down. What will keep it afloat for another decade? Tax breaks or subsidies. I'm afraid the latter is the only way the government is going to revive the coal industry.