You keep attacking you lose land. It's that simple. There is a reason the surronding countries aren't taking them in. Palestinians don't have an arab country because their prior hosts lost wars.

 

Aren't taking them in? Are you saying that the Palestinians should leave the West Bank?

Aren't taking them in? Are you saying that the Palestinians should leave the West Bank?

 

A large portion of them did in the past to Jordan and Lebanon but neither country wanted them because of their violent groups.

 

The point being Israel has stopped building settlements and moved citizens out before. Once they do Palestinians move in and use the land to launch rockets into Israel. Why would Israel give up all the land if they know groups will use is it strategically against them?

 

Anyones stance who thinks Israel should give up all of Jerusalem is living in a dream world. That will never happen and that is what this resolution said.

Are either allowed a standing army to date ? So Germany has all it's historical land with ethnic Germans ? WW1 do they have all their land ? Nope.

 

Is the United States giving back it's country ? Nope. War has consequences.

 

I'll state it again since you ignored it. Israel offered a two state solution in 1937, 1948, 1967, 2000, 2005 and 2008. Palestinians walked away because they don't acknowledge Israels right to exisit.

 

To say that Palestinians refused the existence of a Jewish state on every breakdown is an oversimplification.

 

It's 2016. Either Israel wants peace or not: if not maybe it's time to ride it alone.

 

There comes a point when you stop hanging out with the guy who always gets you in fights at a bar whether it's his fault or not.

To say that Palestinians refused the existence of a Jewish state on every breakdown is an oversimplification.

 

It's 2016. Either Israel wants peace or not: if not maybe it's time to ride it alone.

 

There comes a point when you stop hanging out with the guy who always gets you in fights at a bar whether it's his fault or not.

 

No it really is that simple. Those groups have never acknowledged Israel right to exisit. Everytime Israel pulls back they use the land strategically to attack Israel. This is all facts not opinion.

 

It isn't Israel who doesn't want peace, it's the Palestinians. Israel has been offering to sitdown and talk peace since 2008 when Palestinians walked away from another 2 state solution deal. Now they want to sit down because this resolution put Israel in a position of weakness. But everyone who understands history knows if Israel pulls completely out Hamas , PLO, and Hezzbolah will just use the land to attack Israel again.

 

20% of Israeli population are Arabs again living in peace with equal rights. How many Jews do you think would get that in Palestinian ruled area ?

To say that Palestinians refused the existence of a Jewish state on every breakdown is an oversimplification.

 

It's 2016. Either Israel wants peace or not: if not maybe it's time to ride it alone.

 

There comes a point when you stop hanging out with the guy who always gets you in fights at a bar whether it's his fault or not.

Just stop. You will need to see a chiropractor if you keep contorting yourself to justify your leftist talking points.

No it really is that simple. Those groups have never acknowledged Israel right to exisit. Everytime Israel pulls back they use the land strategically to attack Israel. This is all facts not opinion.

 

 

 

 

It isn't Israel who doesn't want peace, it's the Palestinians. Israel has been offering to sitdown and talk peace since 2008 when Palestinians walked away from another 2 state solution deal. Now they want to sit down because this resolution put Israel in a position of weakness. But everyone who understands history knows if Israel pulls completely out Hamas , PLO, and Hezzbolah will just use the land to attack Israel again.

 

20% of Israeli population are Arabs again living in peace with equal rights. How many Jews do you think would get that in Palestinian ruled area ?

 

Incorrect the PLO/ Abbas does accept a Jewish state. The last attempt at peace resulted in the hardliners being Hamas and Israel.

 

Also I am struggling with this picture you're trying to paint with Israel pulling back. We are talking about settlements smack dab in the middle of Palestine. If they move that doesn't get terrorists any closer or farther away from Tel Aviv or any other primary Israeli city.

 

A March Pew poll has a majority of Jews want all Arabs booted from Israel, so let's not act like they are rolling the red carpet out.

 

This situation is way more than those of us on BGP can summarize in a few short lines, and definitely deserves more of a look than what happened in the Bible, the 1940's, and the 1980's.

Just stop. You will need to see a chiropractor if you keep contorting yourself to justify your leftist talking points.

 

Adding anything or just running down my point of view?

 

I disagree with LB, but I respect his position.

Incorrect the PLO/ Abbas does accept a Jewish state. The last attempt at peace resulted in the hardliners being Hamas and Israel.

 

Also I am struggling with this picture you're trying to paint with Israel pulling back. We are talking about settlements smack dab in the middle of Palestine. If they move that doesn't get terrorists any closer or farther away from Tel Aviv or any other primary Israeli city.

 

A March Pew poll has a majority of Jews want all Arabs booted from Israel, so let's not act like they are rolling the red carpet out.

 

This situation is way more than those of us on BGP can summarize in a few short lines, and definitely deserves more of a look than what happened in the Bible, the 1940's, and the 1980's.

 

Literally those most incorrect post in this thread. Palestinians walked away from every two state solution.

 

So now your disputing a factual event of Israel stopping settlements , moving 21,000 citizens , and then Palestinians moving in and launching rockets? It's a historical fact.

 

There is no country called Palestine , they are not in Palestine .

 

20% of Israeli population is Arab , they are citizens with equal rights. They are doctors , lawyers and all other trades. Israelis are not murdering them in the streets.

 

Again I ask if Jews made up 20% of a Arab nations population what would happen . Caution before answering because recent history shows us what will happen based on current overall population of jews in Arab nations.

Literally those most incorrect post in this thread. Palestinians walked away from every two state solution.

 

So now your disputing a factual event of Israel stopping settlements , moving 21,000 citizens , and then Palestinians moving in and launching rockets? It's a historical fact.

 

There is no country called Palestine , they are not in Palestine .

 

20% of Israeli population is Arab , they are citizens with equal rights. They are doctors , lawyers and all other trades. Israelis are not murdering them in the streets.

 

Again I ask if Jews made up 20% of a Arab nations population what would happen . Caution before answering because recent history shows us what will happen based on current overall population of jews in Arab nations.

 

Nope not incorrect.

 

In the Middle East, the Two-State Solution Is Dead - The Daily Beast

Nope not incorrect.

 

In the Middle East, the Two-State Solution Is Dead - The Daily Beast

 

Haha. That article is filled with so many inaccuracies..

Adding anything or just running down my point of view?

 

I disagree with LB, but I respect his position.

If you respected his position, you would not be debating with inaccuracies.

Haha. That article is filled with so many inaccuracies..

 

Elaborate

Elaborate

 

The statements that all these Israelis leader are against a two state solution is an outright lie. The dispute is over where it should be and those who support Palestinians demand all their demands are met and if they are not you are against a two state solution.

If you respected his position, you would not be debating with inaccuracies.

 

Inaccuracies? Please tell me where I have blatantly misled.

 

:sorry: I feel as if I am ruining a perfectly good echo chamber.

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The statements that all these Israelis leader are against a two state solution is an outright lie. The dispute is over where it should be and those who support Palestinians demand all their demands are met and if they are not you are against a two state solution.

 

Really?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/25/world/middleeast/netanyahu-accuses-obama-of-orchestrating-un-resolution.html?_r=0