Are you implying you don't think there are any issues?

 

No as a white guy Im asking the question, what do we need to fix.

I'm from EKY and live in NKY. I used to be as discriminated against as anyone in Boone County.

 

You weren't discriminated against more than blacks.

...which is why it's not an easy discussion.

 

Agreed. But, as an example...........I have never hired a minority in 23 years. Statistically, that would seem to be a red flag for someone wanting to find inequality, or unfairness.

While those are certainly areas that the black community needs to work on IMO it doesn't address the point about equality and justice. You can have perfect homes and communities but the question of fairness/equality/justice is still going to be there.

 

Crosby would argue it is a cause and effect relationship ie make said improvements in the home front and that will earn the repect that will result in justice and equality. Not saying I am 100% on board with Crosby but understand his point that you have to break the chains that are holding yourself down first.

...which is why it's not an easy discussion.

 

Also, are we seeking equality of opportunties? Or outcomes?

No as a white guy Im asking the question, what do we need to fix.

 

Well this obviously isn't directed at you, we are speaking in generalities here, and this is only my opinion... The biggest is equality in the workplace. Either when being hired or once on the job. I don't think race should even be allowed to be asked on an application. Now, that doesn't mean people will hire any more black people after an interview, but at least they get in the door.

Agreed. But, as an example...........I have never hired a minority in 23 years. Statistically, that would seem to be a red flag for someone wanting to find inequality, or unfairness.

 

So in 23 years you've never had a minority apply for a job that he/she was qualified to do?

So in 23 years you've never had a minority apply for a job that he/she was qualified to do?

 

Have had ZERO minority applicants in 23 years.

Well this obviously isn't directed at you, we are speaking in generalities here, and this is only my opinion... The biggest is equality in the workplace. Either when being hired or once on the job. I don't think race should even be allowed to be asked on an application. Now, that doesn't mean people will hire any more black people after an interview, but at least they get in the door.

 

I agree with you on that, have wondered that for years why race was on an application. Honestly why is male/female on an application anymore, is there a need for that?

 

Part of this can come to life experiences, some have seen things others haven't. I've worked at two places now that have had multiple blacks in management/executive positions. However I have also had a case where there was no blacks in the company, not due to any prejudice/inequality, rather none ever applied in the 5 years I worked there, similar to @FarBeyondDriven point.

 

 

What other issues, I ask because I know there are laws and regulations that say on paper things are equally, and in some case reality is not equal, but what other issue are there.

So in 23 years you've never had a minority apply for a job that he/she was qualified to do?

I should add that is mainly due to geographic location and the type of business. But, to a busy body community organizer type, I could easily be painted as being unfair or discriminatory.

I believe it to be a matter of expectations. If you feel like you've been discriminated against then push your children to strive for a better station in life. If you've done the 'right things' and are still being discriminated against, call me. I'll join that protest. However, don't scream about inequality if you've done nothing to improve your station.

I agree with you on that, have wondered that for years why race was on an application. Honestly why is male/female on an application anymore, is there a need for that?

 

Part of this can come to life experiences, some have seen things others haven't. I've worked at two places now that have had multiple blacks in management/executive positions. However I have also had a case where there was no blacks in the company, not due to any prejudice/inequality, rather none ever applied in the 5 years I worked there, similar to @FarBeyondDriven point.

 

 

What other issues, I ask because I know there are laws and regulations that say on paper things are equally, and in some case reality is not equal, but what other issue are there.

 

Funny you mentioned nobody applied, I was thinking about that typing my post. I wonder if companies word postings or somehow deter minorities from applying all together? If minorities simply just aren't applying, it can't be the companies fault for not employing any.

 

I think the biggest general issue is stereotyping all black people. This can lead back to black people helping themselves, because a lot of stereotypes are true.

Also, are we seeking equality of opportunties? Or outcomes?

 

Let's assume opportunities.

Well this obviously isn't directed at you, we are speaking in generalities here, and this is only my opinion... The biggest is equality in the workplace. Either when being hired or once on the job. I don't think race should even be allowed to be asked on an application. Now, that doesn't mean people will hire any more black people after an interview, but at least they get in the door.

 

I guess I assumed incorrectly and maybe naively, but I always thought that race was on the application to help ensure that they were an Equal Employment Opportunity organization? Meaning that if they needed to raise their minority numbers in their organization, they would potentially pull from applicants within that pool of race.

I should add that is mainly due to geographic location and the type of business. But, to a busy body community organizer type, I could easily be painted as being unfair or discriminatory.

 

I'm not trying to paint you into any sort of category, don't take it that way. Just asking.

 

I can understand how geography and the type of work could limit the amount of minorities that would apply.