In theory that is true. In practice independents, at the highest level of KY football, operate as defacto private schools, allowing out of district students in at low tuition (compared to private schools). Jumper_Dad will say that public schools "could" do this too, and he's right in theory. In practice public schools don't do this for a variety of reasons, so it really makes no difference that they "could".

I can't think of any more bogus complaint I see on BGP than the one by those who try to differentiate independent public school districts from county wide public school systems. Stop whining and make your school better. Independent districts play by the exact same state rules as county schools. If your county school doesn't allow tuition students, that is your county schools choice - not some built in advantage in favor of independents. The state rules are the same for both.

You guys always go with the whining angle. Nobody is whining. Just pointing out the obvious truth that some independent schools operate very differently than most public schools in this state. I believe students should go to and play sports at the school that services their geographic area. Full stop. I wish the KHSAA rules were that any student attending school outside of their district boundaries was ineligible for competition. This rule would nip recruiting in the bud.

In theory that is true. In practice independents, at the highest level of KY football, operate as defacto private schools, allowing out of district students in at low tuition (compared to private schools). Jumper_Dad will say that public schools "could" do this too, and he's right in theory. In practice public schools don't do this for a variety of reasons, so it really makes no difference that they "could".

 

Can you name the public schools that don't allow tuition students?

 

And sure, independent public schools tuition is typically lower than private schools. But so are public school tuition. Independent schools are "public" schools. They are just usually a small city that wants to run their school differently than the county. KHSAA rules are exactly the same. Ky education laws and rules are exactly they same. They are all funded by the state.

You guys always go with the whining angle. Nobody is whining. Just pointing out the obvious truth that some independent schools operate very differently than most public schools in this state. I believe students should go to and play sports at the school that services their geographic area. Full stop. I wish the KHSAA rules were that any student attending school outside of their district boundaries was ineligible for competition. This rule would nip recruiting in the bud.

 

There is absolutely no truth to what you're saying no matter how much you try to twist it. We have had this discussion 1000 times on here and it comes out with the same exact results every time. The person finally realizes there is absolutely no difference. Again, most of the folks on here that are discussing this with you have learned all the others on her many times! It's not their first rodeo. They know what they are talking about. And didn't I hear you say your a transplant to KY at some point on here? If that's true, you are debating something that I just don't think you know enough about. Not being a jerk here, just trying to tell you this isn't new and we've debunked this "myth" many times.

Let me give you an example up here. Simon Kenton, Dixie and Scott are the 3 schools that make up the Kenton Co schools. Not only are they open enrollment and get tuition kids, they are also open enrollment within the county. That means that if you live in Kenton Co, you can go to whatever high school you want for free (of those 3 county schools) and regardless of which district you are assigned to. And their tuition is cheaper than the independent schools around it. So tell me again how they are at a disadvantage?

In theory that is true. In practice independents, at the highest level of KY football, operate as defacto private schools, allowing out of district students in at low tuition (compared to private schools). Jumper_Dad will say that public schools "could" do this too, and he's right in theory. In practice public schools don't do this for a variety of reasons, so it really makes no difference that they "could".

No Jumper_Dad will say that Independents ARE Public Schools...absolutely no different than any other Public School System.

 

Are there "City" Schools that allow out of district players to pay tuition, Yes.

Are there "County" schools that poach "City" students and don't require any tuition, since student already lives in that county, Yes.

Are there "County" High Schools that allow students from other counties to play on their teams, Yes.

 

There are a handful of successful Independent School "City" Football teams in the state and nearly all but one are in the smaller classes. So why are small "City" teams successful at a higher rate than small "County" programs...in many cases it's logistics, lots of parents in smaller counties will not put in the effort to drive to town every day to pick kids up after practice. They can't take them into town all summer for daily practice...many "City" school kids can walk or bike to and from practice, that is one advantage "City" schools have.

If independents have any advantage over county public schools, when it comes to football, it's this: Most county schools were combined from several smaller schools out in the county, most of which didn't play football, perhaps because there weren't enough boys available. Most independents in Ky have been playing football 90-100 years. Most county schools have maybe 45-50 years invested (barely invested, in the case of some schools). It's as simple as that. It's also why most county schools in the state think of themselves as "basketball schools."

Well there is an independent school I know of that gets kids to come to school there and the kid never pays out of county tuition because they play there or as some would say recruited there.

Do you guys read what I write? I clearly get that ALL schools in KY can accept out of district students. You guys aren't "debunking" anything. I think independents do this more. I think ALL schools should have to compete with players that live in their districts and only kids that live in their district.

Do you guys read what I write? I clearly get that ALL schools in KY can accept out of district students. You guys aren't "debunking" anything. I think independents do this more. I think ALL schools should have to compete with players that live in their districts and only kids that live in their district.

 

Good luck. There's going to always be exceptions, starting with administrators, teachers, coaches and workers at the independent school who will send their kids where they work. That's just one.

Well there is an independent school I know of that gets kids to come to school there and the kid never pays out of county tuition because they play there or as some would say recruited there.

 

So it's their fault the kids found the independent school a better fit for their needs? Maybe the county school should do a better job of retention, making their school a place kids should want to play for.

If independents have any advantage over county public schools, when it comes to football, it's this: Most county schools were combined from several smaller schools out in the county, most of which didn't play football, perhaps because there weren't enough boys available. Most independents in Ky have been playing football 90-100 years. Most county schools have maybe 45-50 years invested (barely invested, in the case of some schools). It's as simple as that. It's also why most county schools in the state think of themselves as "basketball schools."

This is it in a nut shell...Nice Post Jim!

Do you guys read what I write? I clearly get that ALL schools in KY can accept out of district students. You guys aren't "debunking" anything. I think independents do this more. I think ALL schools should have to compete with players that live in their districts and only kids that live in their district.

May be in the area that you are familiar with...but that is not the case across the entire state.

Do you guys read what I write? I clearly get that ALL schools in KY can accept out of district students. You guys aren't "debunking" anything. I think independents do this more. I think ALL schools should have to compete with players that live in their districts and only kids that live in their district.

 

If you agree that they all accept tuition students, I don't follow your logic about independents "doing it more". Don't they all have the same opportunity to attract tuition students? They don't pick and choose how many times they do it. Most don't say "we're only gonna take X amount of tuition students".

 

Now donindepents maybe get more tuition students?? Maybe. But if that's the case, you should ask yourself "why?" But to say "independents do it more is silly". The opportunity may present itself more to an independent but that doesn't mean they choose to accept more than a county school would choose to accept. There's just more kids that would prefer to pay tuition to go to the independent than would prefer to pay tuition to go to a county school. That's not the fault of the indepentent. That independent school had to something to attract a family that is going to pay tuition rather than go to school for free!