Here's the problem with that logic: I have neighbors who feel the same who are white and Christian. Thinking a thing isn't a crime. Acting violently on it is.

 

He immigrated here Hellcats. Look at Europe and the insane amount they brought in. A good amount of them have no respect for the laws or women and homosexuals and the governments over there have done nothing. Another point I want to make is that we need stop making excuses for people that have no respect for our secular way of life. We don't give the christians excuses, so why would we let muslims? I'm not saying ban all muslims or don't bring in people from other regions, however we should be careful of who we allow to come in. This man didn't assimilate and his hateful religious views rubbed off on his son. So the problem with your logic is bringing up christianity. The christians have lost. Gays can marry and it is not illegal to be gay. The man's father came from a region who despised homosexuals. If you want us to change our guns laws, it is not so different than asking to be careful with those we bring in.

The orlando shooter's father was from Afghanistan. He hated homosexuals and was anti-american. I think that was who was talking about.

 

I just saw that about his father elsewhere a few moments ago. Although his son was radicalized, his upbringing seems to have fueled his hate.

Even Justice Scalia recognized the 2nd Amendment has limitations:

 

On pp. 54 and 55, the majority opinion, written by conservative bastion Justice Antonin Scalia, states: “Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited…”. It is “…not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.”

 

“Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”

 

“We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. Miller (an earlier case) said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those “in common use at the time”. We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of ‘dangerous and unusual weapons.’ ”

 

 

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Didnt have the foresight to see that all this did was provide the target list for these people.

This may have been asked and answered so sorry if it's a repeat.

 

1. Were the 83 women in the report all armed with guns?

2. If you are a woman or anyone for that matter, facing an attacker, would you rather be armed or unarmed? Surely the point of the study wasn't to say only 1 out of 83 were successful s you're better off not being armed.

 

The study is saying that guns don't necessarily make you safe like society likes to believe.

The likelihood of you being killed by the gun in the house for a woman is greater than the likelihood of you saving your life with the same gun.

He immigrated here Hellcats. Look at Europe and the insane amount they brought in. A good amount of them have no respect for the laws or women and homosexuals and the governments over there have done nothing. Another point I want to make is that we need stop making excuses for people that have no respect for our secular way of life. We don't give the christians excuses, so why would we let muslims? I'm not saying ban all muslims or don't bring in people from other regions, however we should be careful of who we allow to come in. This man didn't assimilate and his hateful religious views rubbed off on his son. So the problem with your logic is bringing up christianity. The christians have lost. Gays can marry and it is not illegal to be gay. The man's father came from a region who despised homosexuals. If you want us to change our guns laws, it is not so different than asking to be careful with those we bring in.

 

So if my math works this man has lived here for at least 28 years with these bigoted ideas. He was playing the long game.

 

My statement was we have several people with hate in their hearts. That's not a crime.

So if my math works this man has lived here for at least 28 years with these bigoted ideas. He was playing the long game.

 

My statement was we have several people with hate in their hearts. That's not a crime.

 

That was not the question at hand.

 

you said this: OG,

Which mass shooter would have been stopped by tougher immigration? So far we are dealing with our own who are being influenced by outside hate groups or mental instability.

 

My point was maybe we should question why are we brining people in that don't agree with our way of life.

That was not the question at hand.

 

you said this: OG,

Which mass shooter would have been stopped by tougher immigration? So far we are dealing with our own who are being influenced by outside hate groups or mental instability.

 

My point was maybe we should question why are we brining people in that don't agree with our way of life.

 

Not sure how you police this. Seems like displaced aggression considering the people committing these acts are citizens from different backgrounds.

Not sure how you police this. Seems like displaced aggression considering the people committing these acts are citizens from different backgrounds.

 

Let me put it this way hellcats, we deal with enough in the states. Why would I want to bring in more religious trouble? It's not displaced aggression, it's not wanting to deal with people who are giving passes with how they behave. Tougher screening would help. You want tougher gun laws, I want tougher screening on those that come from regions that hates america.

How well does our drug laws work for the emotionally unstable or criminals. Maybe we could add more to eliminate drug related crimes.

And they don't need to be 240lbs either. Back in the fall I posted a video of an attacker in Israel' date=' immediately someone tried to subdue him, it was difficult. Some people can be 150lbs and some drive/goal and stabbing or shooting them even several times isn't going to stop them, this is where having as much firepower is needed to eliminate the threat. Especially if the attack is on drugs.[/quote']

 

Correct, HC is portraying women who don't know how to use guns. A gun is not a toy, male or female if you are putting one in the house you need to learn how to use it, if you expect it to save your life.

Let me put it this way hellcats, we deal with enough in the states. Why would I want to bring in more religious trouble? It's not displaced aggression, it's not wanting to deal with people who are giving passes with how they behave. Tougher screening would help. You want tougher gun laws, I want tougher screening on those that come from regions that hates america.

 

Screening is necessary to prevent foreign terrorism, but doesn't hinder citizens from walking in churches, theaters, schools, businesess or clubs and murdering people.

I just don't see screening as relevant to this issue at this time.

 

How well does our drug laws work for the emotionally unstable or criminals. Maybe we could add more to eliminate drug related crimes.

 

Depends...when Sudafed was more regulated meth creation and use lowered significantly in Kentucky.

Screening is necessary to prevent foreign terrorism, but doesn't hinder citizens from walking in churches, theaters, schools, businesess or clubs and murdering people.

I just don't see screening as relevant to this issue at this time.

 

 

It's relevant because who we bring in does affect us. The man was a product of an immigrant father who foster anti-gay and american sentiments. This same man committed the largest shooting massacre in american history.

It's relevant because who we bring in does affect us. The man was a product of an immigrant father who foster anti-gay and american sentiments. This same man committed the largest shooting massacre in american history.

 

Using this logic we need to see who we let in 30 years ago and investigate their kids.

What do we do about Dylan Roof? James Holmes?

 

I agree proper vetting is necessary today with the crazy terrorist organizations out there, but how can we stop these things from our own citizens?

Using this logic we need to see who we let in 30 years ago and investigate their kids.

What do we do about Dylan Roof? James Holmes?

 

I agree proper vetting is necessary today with the crazy terrorist organizations out there, but how can we stop these things from our own citizens?

 

You can never prevent 100% of everything. However, you can take measures with proper screening. Also, you are getting away from my point with "Using this logic". The logic i'm using is we need is being careful with who we let in. Nothing more and nothing less. I'm not saying search their kids. If someone wants to immigrate to the United States, where they come from matters. The answer hellcats to questioning those that immigrate here can't also be with what about us? Like I said we have problems to deal with here so why bring more in?

 

As to James Holmes, upgrading the health care and educating the populace on hand guns would help. Holmes avoided certain places because he knew they were packing. Dylan Roof is a hateful person. Teaching your family about love instead of hate is all I can come up with.

 

This is nothing personnel Hellcats, I enjoy our back and forth debate but the whole "but we do this too" argument gets old very quick. I don't make excuses for those that commit crimes that are christian or whatever background, I will not for those that wish to come here and hate our way of life. If lowering the amount of people that come from the middle east into the United States is for the better, than so be it. We got enough problems on our own.

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