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Dunbar 71 Trinity 60

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Has anyone realized that Dunbar has only played one game on their home floor?

 

I believe Trinity has only played 2 at home.

Driving almost always means a foul these days. Not saying I agree with it, but it is my belief that the driver gets a lot of leeway, even when initiating contact.

 

Is it just me?

 

I believe your right a lot of times. Especially at the tourny at lex cath. Looking at the rules, somewhere it states that a foul cannot be called on the defender if the ball handler on offense initiated the contact. Also stated, defender has a right to that position on the floor as long as he is there first. Those words are not exact by any means. But way too often you see a foul called when the defender is standing there arms straight up and the person driving jumps into him. Even if the defender is moving if the ball handler moves toward him and causes the contact, it should not be a foul on the defense. I mean what is the defender supposed to do, just get out of his way?

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Driving almost always means a foul these days. Not saying I agree with it, but it is my belief that the driver gets a lot of leeway, even when initiating contact.

 

Is it just me?

 

I've seen two areas that are being called more.

 

1. You set a high ball screen, you better get set and not move an inch.

 

2. Hand checking on the perimeter. This needed to be cleaned up. Older stronger less skilled kids would coral a younger skilled but less strength kid using their hands and forearms.

I believe your right a lot of times. Especially at the tourny at lex cath. Looking at the rules, somewhere it states that a foul cannot be called on the defender if the ball handler on offense initiated the contact. Also stated, defender has a right to that position on the floor as long as he is there first. Those words are not exact by any means. But way too often you see a foul called when the defender is standing there arms straight up and the person driving jumps into him. Even if the defender is moving if the ball handler moves toward him and causes the contact, it should not be a foul on the defense. I mean what is the defender supposed to do, just get out of his way?

 

 

There is nothing that waves off a foul if the offensive player initiated the contact. It all depends on the positioning of the defender at the point of contact. An offensive player can be a bull in a china shop and still have a foul correctly called on the defender if he doesn't have legal guarding position at the time of contact.

 

Very rarely are arms truly "straight up." The defender owns the space from the floor to the ceiling vertically. If the arms are out at all , which essentially means the arms are not even with his ears, it's a foul. One key point: It depends on where the arms are at the point of contact and NOT where they are after you call the foul and the defender then goes to "straight up" positioning.

Driving almost always means a foul these days. Not saying I agree with it, but it is my belief that the driver gets a lot of leeway, even when initiating contact.

 

Is it just me?

 

I couldn't agree more; it seems like all drives to the basket are fouls. Dunbar does attack the rim a lot though in their defense. I just didn't like the officiating in Lex during the tourney. Didn't seem up to standard, too many phantom foul calls IMO

I've seen two areas that are being called more.

 

1. You set a high ball screen, you better get set and not move an inch.

 

2. Hand checking on the perimeter. This needed to be cleaned up. Older stronger less skilled kids would coral a younger skilled but less strength kid using their hands and forearms.

 

Illegal screens have become more common over the last couple of years and that's a good thing. Often the dribbler who is being screened for causes the foul on his teammate for going too early.

There is nothing that waves off a foul if the offensive player initiated the contact. It all depends on the positioning of the defender at the point of contact. An offensive player can be a bull in a china shop and still have a foul correctly called on the defender if he doesn't have legal guarding position at the time of contact.

 

Very rarely are arms truly "straight up." The defender owns the space from the floor to the ceiling vertically. If the arms are out at all , which essentially means the arms are not even with his ears, it's a foul. One key point: It depends on where the arms are at the point of contact and NOT where they are after you call the foul and the defender then goes to "straight up" positioning.

 

I knew I would be called out on my post as I did not include or quote the entire rule book. You are correct in what you are saying, i was implying that if the defender is doing everything legally, contact initiated by the offense cannot be called as a foul on the defense. My bad for poor choice of words.

So in other words just because there is contact doesn't mean there is a foul.

Especially when your driving w the intent to score...meaning aggressive.

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