That's fine, don't believe me but several people heard him say it and I will stand by my previous post. The officiating was horrible for the entire tournament.

 

I have a question, then, is this secondhand information or did you hear him say that personally? If secondhand, the reliability of the sources come into question.....

I have a question, then, is this secondhand information or did you hear him say that personally? If secondhand, the reliability of the sources come into question.....

 

Personally, several others can verify.

Personally, several others can verify.

 

I hate to hear that....a person in his position should stand up for his "employees", not publically denigrate them. Poor officiating or not, he should have stood up for them.

VMA - if you were told that a fielder who is not in fair play at the time of pitch results in a balk, that is incorrect. If blue sees this, he stops play and says "get in fair territory." It is not a balk.

 

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VMA - I assume you're an NKY Knothole ump. I'm pretty sure Knothole uses OBR rules, thus, my post above. You would have been taught correctly if you were using FED rules. I know Greg Hall seems to think that the "fielders balk" results in a balk and runner advancement but that's not true if Knothole is using OBR. Let me add one more qualifer: Many leagues use OBR with modifications. While I doubt this would be a Knothole modification, it could. If you're unsure if I'm leading you down the wrong path, ask Greg or whomever is your instructor a)OBR or FED b)if OBR , has Knothole modified the rule and c)if not, have him show you in the rulebook where it results in the runner getting a base.

I hate to hear that....a person in his position should stand up for his "employees", not publically denigrate them. Poor officiating or not, he should have stood up for them.

 

Even if he was correct in his assessment, I would be very disappointed should he have actually said this to anyone outside of the KHSAA.

In that case, look for a lot of pop up slides. You can't possibly expect a kid to go in hard to a base and stop at the front of the bag without popping up or oversliding. If the kid was even a foot behind the bag, I could see where this is warranted but the kid was on the base. It was a bang, bang play. NFHS needs to look at that rule.

 

 

Sticky - KYFED is correct. The "force play slide rule" would result in an out unless the defender was on the RF side of the base.

 

Unlike OBR/MLB, the runner is required to go in a straight line between bases. He cannot slide to the outside or the inside of the bag to break up a DP as they can in MLB/OBR.

 

I learn something new every day.

Sticky - KYFED is correct. The "force play slide rule" would result in an out unless the defender was on the RF side of the base.

 

Unlike OBR/MLB, the runner is required to go in a straight line between bases. He cannot slide to the outside or the inside of the bag to break up a DP as they can in MLB/OBR.

 

I learn something new every day.

 

I know. That's still a junk rule and I'm holding KYFED personally accountable.

 

Seriously, that needs to change.

I know. That's still a junk rule and I'm holding KYFED personally accountable.

 

Seriously, that needs to change.

 

I'm guessing Bob agrees with you.

 

I'm also assuming that FED uses it for safety reasons.

SM- Back to the "catcher's balk": What exactly was Bob arguing? Did he say the catcher was outside of the catcher's box before TOP?

SM- Back to the "catcher's balk": What exactly was Bob arguing? Did he say the catcher was outside of the catcher's box before TOP?

Yes. The catcher hurt his hamstring and my guess is he was trying to gain an advantage to get closer to his spot. He was about as close as it gets. He darn near stood straight up.

 

BTW, that catcher hurt his leg running to second and stayed in the game, squatting the whole time, blocking balls in the dirt and chasing pop ups and bunts. Give me 9 of them...

I'm guessing Bob agrees with you.

 

I'm also assuming that FED uses it for safety reasons.

 

I'd rather teach my fielder to step back and out of the way to avoid contact than to tell my baserunner to "ease up" going into the bag.

I know. That's still a junk rule and I'm holding KYFED personally accountable.

 

Seriously, that needs to change.

 

SM, remember I don't write the rules, I just enforce them!

I hate to hear that....a person in his position should stand up for his "employees", not publically denigrate them. Poor officiating or not, he should have stood up for them.

 

 

I have to disagree with you there, partner.

 

His employees may be the umps--but HIS EMPLOYERS per se--are the KIDS on the field. There are certain officials, refs, etc who try to make their selves part of the game (not necessarily the case here)--part of his job is to police that. And if the officials, refs, etc are not doing a good job--they should not be above reproach. Is there a better way to do it? Maybe--but as a coach--there are numerous officials who do a poor job--and don't have to answer for it. Instead--they pass blame to the coach, players, fans and refuse to take responsiblity for their actions.

 

I would much rather have a commissioner who speaks the truth as opposed to blindly supporting people. To say that he should have stood up for this group of umps--whether they were poor or not is the exact thing that gets public employees in hot water. No one--and I mean no one in this situation should blindly stand up for any official, coach, fan, etc that did a poor job. I would agree that it could have been handled differently. But again--as a coach--we have very little recourse against poor officials (and I understand why that is).

 

In my opinion--Tackett's stock went up if he really said that.

I have to disagree with you there, partner.

 

His employees may be the umps--but HIS EMPLOYERS per se--are the KIDS on the field. There are certain officials, refs, etc who try to make their selves part of the game (not necessarily the case here)--part of his job is to police that. And if the officials, refs, etc are not doing a good job--they should not be above reproach. Is there a better way to do it? Maybe--but as a coach--there are numerous officials who do a poor job--and don't have to answer for it. Instead--they pass blame to the coach, players, fans and refuse to take responsiblity for their actions.

 

I would much rather have a commissioner who speaks the truth as opposed to blindly supporting people. To say that he should have stood up for this group of umps--whether they were poor or not is the exact thing that gets public employees in hot water. No one--and I mean no one in this situation should blindly stand up for any official, coach, fan, etc that did a poor job. I would agree that it could have been handled differently. But again--as a coach--we have very little recourse against poor officials (and I understand why that is).

 

In my opinion--Tackett's stock went up if he really said that.

 

 

QS - Julian's job is to make sure the officials are accountable and if they screw up, they need to informed so it doesn't happen again.

 

However, no good boss goes around telling folks that his employees screwed up. He handles it internally. Its no different than a head coach telling the press that they would have won the game had his offensive coordinator had a clue as to how to run a 2-minute offense. While it may be true, the HC doesn't tell it to the press. He handles it internally.

 

Let me qualify the above with the fact that I have no clue if this was really said. I'm speaking in generalities.

DD - let me apologize for not registering that you said he's fine once the ball has been released. If he's out before the T.O.P., its a balk in FED but nothing in OBR.

 

Once the TOP occurs, he can go outside the box without penalty unless he interferes with the batter.

 

My apologies.

 

No problem....tough play to call and rarely called because usually when the catcher jumps up, the plate ump can't see the release, so it is up to a field ump, who in this case were probably watching the runners in motion.