It's no secret since 1975 there has only been 8 years that a team from last year's "super district" has not won it all......I know it's totally hypothetical but it would be nice to see the variety of teams that would have rings over the next 20 years if u took those 4 out of the equation.....I guess you could leave Dupont in because I'm not sure if they have a championship or not....but I do know it's been dominated by the big 3. My question here is if u take away the big 3 do you think 2 or 3 teams would step up and dominate or do u think with the talent of 6a that there may be 10 or 12 different winners in the next 20 years.

I believe Scott Co would dominate.

10 - 12 different winners.

I believe Scott Co would dominate.

 

Completely disagree.

Scott County and SK would generally be at the top but not locks every year. It would certainly create a void that many teams would try to fill.

So the premise is that all three schools had to shut down in 1975?

 

Well, all the talent in Louisville would have to go somewhere. DeSales would expand dramatically to handle the Catholic schools kids, becoming a 4A/6A team. Unless another Catholic boys' school opened or some of the girls schools went coed, DeSales would be the sole focus of all footballers from Catholic grade schools. With the talent of Trinity and St. X combined DeSales would become the dominant school in the big school division. Manual would see a resurgence, taking a good chunk of Male's talent. Other Louisville schools would get some of the overflow and the overall distribution of talent in the city would rise. Also, David Bishop would have expanded suddenly as well and likely never have joined with Angela Merici to form Holy Cross. I probably would have gotten a good deal of students and become the number three team in the city.

 

Boone County would may have won multiple times in the nineties. If so they would cement themselves as a powerhouse in NKY and the program would have flourished with increased attention and funds. They would likely be most common team from the Eastern bracket in the finals.

 

I'm not certain how it would have affected the Western and Lexington areas. Scott County could have arisen recently, or they could have appeared earlier/not at all.

 

In short I think we would have a new 'big three' roughly in this order: DeSales, Manual, and Boone County. The DeSales/Manual rivalry that would develop would replace the St. X/Trinity and might even dwarf it in scope, as it would be the full Catholic community vs the public schools. However that might also worsen the public/private debate, but with even less private schools and a 'private league' even more unfeasible, I'm not sure what would come of it.

 

Pure speculation, but an entertaining notion to ponder. I'd have been a DeSales graduate, most likely.

No not shut down....just take them out of the equation. It's a hypothetical question asking who would dominate if u take the big 3 away.....move them to a 3 team class 7a if "taking them away" sounds too harsh.

History just shows that the 6a (previously 4a and 5a) teams outside of the big 3 have a very small chance of winning state....so without them would there be a few teams dominate like they do.....or would titles be speak out amongst the state like they are for the most part in lower classes

No not shut down....just take them out of the equation. It's a hypothetical question asking who would dominate if u take the big 3 away.....move them to a 3 team class 7a if "taking them away" sounds too harsh.

 

Oh, the premise is that a new '7A' class was created this year that contains only those three schools? I misunderstood you then and figured all of the talent they contained would have been available.

 

Hmmm... in that case I think there would be five schools that regularly won, but with occasional teams outside this 'top five' taking the title roughly once every decade. The top five (in no particular order) would be Scott County, Manual, PRP, one NKY team (Ryle, Cooper, or Simon Kenton, whoever capitalized best on this opportunity to spur growth in their program) and McCracken County.

Scott County and SK would generally be at the top but not locks every year. It would certainly create a void that many teams would try to fill.

 

Yeah this year, I don't think SK would be an every year state contender. especially if you go back in time.

Scott co would win at least 10 -12 out of the 20

1) McCracken is in its third year. First year got put out by Central Hardin (at McCracken). Last year lost to Manual (at McCracken). Two home losses to NON-Big 3 schools does NOT give me hope to believe McCracken would be a power. Prior to McCracken, there was NO 6-A team from Paducah. So not sure how McCracken figures into this.

 

2) Scott County got put out by PLD in 98, didn't make playoffs in 99, was 5-6 in 2000 when it got put out by Trinity, got put out by Tates Creek in 01, got put out by PLD in 02, didn't make playoffs in 03, lost to X in 04 state final, got put out by PLD in 05, got out out by Henry Clay in 06, got put out by Shelby County in 07, lost to Male in 08 (but SK beat Male in next game), got put out by Trinity in 09 (would have been Scott-Greenwood final), got put out by Male in 10 (would have been Scott-Ryle final), lost to Trinity in 11 state final, lost to Trinity in 12 semis (would have been Scott-PRP final), 13 wouldn't have mattered (perfect season, won state), but 14 lost to Meade and jury is out in 15 (can Scott beat SK???).

 

So prior to 08, SC would realistically had ONE title from 98-07 (04). Maybe Scott would have won five straight (09-10-11-12-13). But 14 wouldn't have mattered and 15 we don't know yet.

 

Maybe Scott has 6 more titles at best (assuming it won EACH and EVERY finals appearance it could have had). But unless Scott was an absolute beast in the late 80s and early 90s, there is NO way Scott had 10-12 titles without the big 3 standing in its way. For a while, Scott couldn't get past PLD.

 

Of course, if Cooper hadn't split from Ryle, South Warren hadn't split from Greenwood, North Oldham hadn't split from Oldham, Collins hadn't split from Shelby and Thomas Nelson hadn't split from Nelson County, those five programs (Ryle, Greenwood, Oldham County, Shelby County, Nelson County) would have been stronger.

 

Plus, Central Hardin and North Hardin both lost kids to John Hardin in 2001. Maybe Central Hardin would have emerged as a power sooner or North Hardin would have gotten it together.

It is a easy answer Boone County, four times they lost in the title game, 1986, 1987, 1992, and 1994.

 

I think Shelby County is often overlooked, they did win once it and lost a couple of other times.

 

You have to look past the recent years and see how teams winning a title or two would have in the 80's would have propelled them going forward.

 

In NKY:

SK) Those who mention SK obviously don't remember that 30+ years,of the time frame given, they were essentially the doormat of NKY. So, there isn't much to talk about here.

 

Ryle) Ryle has only existed for about a third of the years...maybe a couple of deeper runs and would not have such drastic swings from season to season. But , I don't think as many parents would be leaving Florence because in our hypothetical Boone County would be the team at the top of the mountain.

Conner) This school is one of the biggest could have been programs. Runner-up 3a in 1980 and won the 3a title in 1983. The Head Coach Bob Lewis came from Wyoming high school in Ohio were he also won state titles. He retires from Conner after the 85 season and they hire a coach know where near the caliber of Lewis and the tailspin begins until Tom Stellman grabbed the controls. Lewis had them on top of the mountain, if he would have stayed on for the next five years it would been interesting to see where the program would have gone. During that time the population in the Hebron area was just beginning its boom and a perennial power would have kept and attracted more people to the school. Then once the school grew to be a 4a school they could have transitioned right into being on of the top teams.

 

Dixie) Dixie for several years on under Tom Spritzky had some extremely talented teams. Unfortunately they seemed to always run into Trinity and their season would end. Of course one year they did beat them. I think they are the only school from NKY that has ever done that. But with Trinity out of their way they just might have a title or two. Also, if they would have even made it to the finals, SK might still be everyone's favorite Homecoming team to schedule, thanks to open enrollment in Kenton County.

1) McCracken is in its third year. First year got put out by Central Hardin (at McCracken). Last year lost to Manual (at McCracken). Two home losses to NON-Big 3 schools does NOT give me hope to believe McCracken would be a power. Prior to McCracken, there was NO 6-A team from Paducah. So not sure how McCracken figures into this.

 

It is a easy answer Boone County, four times they lost in the title game, 1986, 1987, 1992, and 1994.

 

Y'all are making the same mistake I did at first. He isn't asking 'what if the past had been different', but 'what would the next twenty years look like if Male, St. X and Trinity were gone.' Essentially what if those three were moved to a hypothetical 7A since he isn't talking about the schools shutting down, but being removed from the equation altogether.

Y'all are making the same mistake I did at first. He isn't asking 'what if the past had been different', but 'what would the next twenty years look like if Male, St. X and Trinity were gone.' Essentially what if those three were moved to a hypothetical 7A since he isn't talking about the schools shutting down, but being removed from the equation altogether.

 

Ahh.

 

Either way, McCracken has been put out by NON-Big 3 schools. Until the Mustangs get over that hump, they're a non-factor.

 

And Scott County got put out by Meade last year and might not get past SK this year (and Scott has several key seniors this year). They might win some, but to say 10-12 out of 20 is a huge stretch.

 

Plus, I think we're giving Scott County too much credit (for ONE win over the Big 3) and not enough to Manual (who rarely gets put out by someone other than the Big 3). PRP (in its good years) could make a similar claim.

 

To make a 3-team 7-A or whatever would be crazy (if this is a hypothetical). I'm pretty sure there's a minimum for teams for a state championship and it's like 20 or so (field hockey barely meets the minimum). And yes, that applies to classes as well. So a super-16 class/division for football will NEVER happen (unless KHSAA changes the threshold minimum).

 

So if X, T and Male are gone ... Scott, Manual, McCracken, PLD, Central Hardin, Meade, etc., are gone too.

 

Maybe in the hypothetical, X and T are gone entirely (prep school like IMG or Oak Hill) and Male is closed for whatever reason (and all the kids who would have gone there go to KCAA/KCSAA schools or are home schooled).