There is no moral equivalency in abortion and capital punishment.

 

Oh there most certainly is. Murder is murder. Killing is killing. Who are we to pass final judgment on others? Then there's the little fact that more than just a few innocent people have been put to death via Capital Punishment.

Is one life equivalent to another?

Is one life equivalent to another?

If you can't see the difference in innocent babies being butchered for convenience, then I can't help you.

Oh there most certainly is. Murder is murder. Killing is killing. Who are we to pass final judgment on others? Then there's the little fact that more than just a few innocent people have been put to death via Capital Punishment.

I am not here to defend capital punishment, I am defending innocent babies. Capital punishment is not a good excuse to kill innocent babies.

I am not here to defend capital punishment, I am defending innocent babies. Capital punishment is not a good excuse to kill innocent babies.

 

Correct. There's no excuse to kill anyone for the simple sake of killing though. That's my point.

 

Always baffles me to see so many "devout" religious people be so staunchly in support of murder (in any form).

If you can't see the difference in innocent babies being butchered for convenience, then I can't help you.

 

 

So your answer is no. Others might disagree.

 

I understand the concept of moral equivalency. I understand that many see this as the difference between "murder" and "killing".

So your answer is no. Others might disagree.

 

I understand the concept of moral equivalency. I understand that many see this as the difference between "murder" and "killing".

So..........I assume you see no difference in killing in self defense?

Correct. There's no excuse to kill anyone for the simple sake of killing though. That's my point.

 

Always baffles me to see so many "devout" religious people be so staunchly in support of murder (in any form).

I honestly cannot defend capital punishment being right or wrong. On an emotional level, I believe in capital punishment.

Uh......no such thing.

 

Really? Ok. here is the holding of Roe v. Wade:

3. State criminal abortion laws, like those involved here, that except from criminality only a life-saving procedure on the mother's behalf without regard to the stage of her pregnancy and other interests involved violate the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, which protects against state action the right to privacy, including a woman's qualified right to terminate her pregnancy. Though the State cannot override that right, it has legitimate interests in protecting both the pregnant woman's health and the potentiality of human life, each of which interests grows and reaches a "compelling" point at various stages of the woman's approach to term. Pp. 147-164.

 

Laws criminalizing abortion violate the Due Process Clause of the 14th amendment.

 

There have been dozens of cases subsequent to Roe v. Wade where the Supreme Court refined this central holding, including notably Casey v. Planned Parenthood.

The sum total of which can accurately say "there is a Constitutional prohibition against banning abortions."

 

I suspect you might be thinking, "well, it doesn't say that in the Constitution, that's just what the Supreme Court said." All I can do is simply note that our country works a certain way, including investing the Supreme Court with the power to determine matters of interpretation of the Constitution. If you don't like it, you can work to influence the decision to be overturned, or work to have an amendment to the constitution passed. Or you could just deny it or ignore it and pick and choose which parts of our country suit your needs or not.

 

Your denial that there is such a constitutional prohibition is silly. Let me ask you this, if there is not a constitutional prohibition on banning abortions, then list out the states that have laws banning abortions. Surely there is one state in the country that the majority is pro-life. And since there is no prohibition on banning abortions, there must be at least one state that has banned them. So which one is it?

Really? Ok. here is the holding of Roe v. Wade:

3. State criminal abortion laws, like those involved here, that except from criminality only a life-saving procedure on the mother's behalf without regard to the stage of her pregnancy and other interests involved violate the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, which protects against state action the right to privacy, including a woman's qualified right to terminate her pregnancy. Though the State cannot override that right, it has legitimate interests in protecting both the pregnant woman's health and the potentiality of human life, each of which interests grows and reaches a "compelling" point at various stages of the woman's approach to term. Pp. 147-164.

 

Laws criminalizing abortion violate the Due Process Clause of the 14th amendment.

 

There have been dozens of cases subsequent to Roe v. Wade where the Supreme Court refined this central holding, including notably Casey v. Planned Parenthood.

The sum total of which can accurately say "there is a Constitutional prohibition against banning abortions."

 

I suspect you might be thinking, "well, it doesn't say that in the Constitution, that's just what the Supreme Court said." All I can do is simply note that our country works a certain way, including investing the Supreme Court with the power to determine matters of interpretation of the Constitution. If you don't like it, you can work to influence the decision to be overturned, or work to have an amendment to the constitution passed. Or you could just deny it or ignore it and pick and choose which parts of our country suit your needs or not.

 

Your denial that there is such a constitutional prohibition is silly. Let me ask you this, if there is not a constitutional prohibition on banning abortions, then list out the states that have laws banning abortions. Surely there is one state in the country that the majority is pro-life. And since there is no prohibition on banning abortions, there must be at least one state that has banned them. So which one is it?

 

The word "abortion" is not mentioned anywhere in our Constitution that I am aware of.

Glad to see you're consistent. :thumb:

 

Just making an observation....If you (general, not you specifically) are for abortion under certain circumstances, doesn't that by definition make you pro-choice?

 

Me personally, I'm against abortion in all instances except when the mother's life is at risk. I feel in those situations it should be left up to the mother to be and father to be. As much as I don't like it, that makes me pro-choice.

I am as anti abortion as you can get unless the mothers life is in danger. I mean so far to the right I might fall off.