Thanks Clyde, that is all I am saying.

Pretty good analogy for someone that shouldn't even know about strip clubs. :bunny:

 

When you got to go, you got to go.

To G's point about the power of the internet:

 

There's no question that for centuries the church had less information to battle when giving/teaching its views. If my priest said something when I was 10 in 1973 it would be very difficult for me to get access to information that may disagree and then to form an opinion.

 

That's not true today. Yes, you have to sift through a lot of garbage but that's not difficult.

 

So G is correct. The access to alternative viewpoints does impact, for good and for bad, the teachings of the church.

 

That's a whole lot different than saying people are brainwashed, but okay. :lol2:

That's a whole lot different than saying people are brainwashed, but okay. :lol2:

 

Not really.

Not really.

 

Okay

Unless you are presenting multiple views then teaching religion is technically brainwashing. Don't get thrown off by the negative connotation.

 

I view the term as "just trust me on what I'm telling you - you don't need to go look for alternatives." That's religion. That's parenting often times.

I might have to hire you Clyde.

 

Then again, some people already think I pay you.

Unless you are presenting multiple views then teaching religion is technically brainwashing. Don't get thrown off by the negative connotation.

 

I view the term as "just trust me on what I'm telling you - you don't need to go look for alternatives." That's religion. That's parenting often times.

 

While I'm not a terribly religious person, some may call it "faith".

While I'm not a terribly religious person, some may call it "faith".

 

No argument but, again, by definition if you are only presenting one side and not considering alternatives then it's a brainwashing. That doesn't mean it's wrong in all cases.

 

My style of teaching my kids (since those are the only people I actually influence) is to state MY belief, say why others may think otherwise, tell them why I disagree with those folks, and then let my kids form their own opinion.

 

The "I said so" just never seemed logical to me.

I view the term as "just trust me on what I'm telling you - you don't need to go look for alternatives." That's religion. That's parenting often times.

 

That's everything you are taught all throughout school, not just religion.

 

Either way, there's a way to get the point across without being negative and taking shots at those who are religious. Most will have that conversation if it's done in a sincere manner. Guru doesn't approach religion in that way on here. It's eerily similar to our friend Science Fiction, everything has to contain a jab at those who believe or have faith.

No argument but, again, by definition if you are only presenting one side and not considering alternatives then it's a brainwashing. That doesn't mean it's wrong in all cases.

 

My style of teaching my kids (since those are the only people I actually influence) is to state MY belief, say why others may think otherwise, tell them why I disagree with those folks, and then let my kids form their own opinion.

 

The "I said so" just never seemed logical to me.

 

I do exactly the same with my children and go one step further and actually encourage them to explore alternative beliefs.

Unless you are presenting multiple views then teaching religion is technically brainwashing. Don't get thrown off by the negative connotation.

 

I view the term as "just trust me on what I'm telling you - you don't need to go look for alternatives." That's religion. That's parenting often times.

 

Going back to my definition of "brainwashing" post #15, I see that term as very negative. I see our faith as being passed through centuries and generations through the teaching of our pastors, preachers, priests, school teachers, and parents. I am reminded of that famous quote from Abraham Lincoln, "Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right."

That's everything you are taught all throughout school, not just religion.

 

Either way, there's a way to get the point across without being negative and taking shots at those who are religious. Most will have that conversation if it's done in a sincere manner. Guru doesn't approach religion in that way on here. It's eerily similar to our friend Science Fiction, everything has to contain a jab at those who believe or have faith.

 

When people's own biases hinder them from objectively considering an alternative view sometimes you have to turn the heat up.

 

Either way, I am pro-religion and think science and religion need to work together.

The only sure-fire way to guarantee they don't consider an alternate view is to take shots at what they do believe. JMO

Going back to my definition of "brainwashing" post #15, I see that term as very negative. I see our faith as being passed through centuries and generations through the teaching of our pastors, preachers, priests, school teachers, and parents. I am reminded of that famous quote from Abraham Lincoln, "Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right."

 

Agree that many have a negative feeling when they hear/read it.

 

I'm talking about the actual concept/wording.

 

Most teaching is brainwashing especially in religion.