It wasn't though was it? That's why there is a thread here. If it was a man of that size and strength the officers might have had something to fear. Just because officers have been injured or killed by handcuffed suspects is immaterial to the situation in the video. Unless that is how officers are trained to neutralize the threat provided an by a small, handcuffed woman lying on her back in the backseat of a police cruiser.

That's what you are missing, they must treat every threat the same...man or woman. They can't sit back and take a few minutes to decide how to respond. Monday morning quarterbacking the officer himself may have thought of another way to handle this situation...but to not respond with force just because it is a woman I would bet is NEVER taught in defensive tactics class.

 

I know you just like to jerk everyone's chain when it comes to law enforcement...so carry on, your really good at it

What I saw in the video was completely unnecessary. He may well have been within his rights to punch her and will likely face no penalties. That seems to be par for the course. He lost his temper and punched a handcuffed woman that was already in the cruiser so hard he broke her eye orbit. I think any reasonable person can see that was not necessary. But hey, gotta neutralize this threats, right?

 

If you want to defend it have at it. It was a sickening act that did nothing to ensure the officer's safety--just satisfy his temper.

 

You think he knew he would do that much damage? He punched her as he would punch anyone that warranted being punched. Sickening would have been if he had continued to hit her over and over...upon being kicked once he hit her once...the amount of damage to some degree is insignificant to this matter.

That's what you are missing, they must treat every threat the same...man or woman. They can't sit back and take a few minutes to decide how to respond. Monday morning quarterbacking the officer himself may have thought of another way to handle this situation...but to not respond with force just because it is a woman I would bet is NEVER taught in defensive tactics class.

 

I know you just like to jerk everyone's chain when it comes to law enforcement...so carry on, your really good at it

 

That's no excuse. This was clearly not a life or death situation. I understand it when in situations where it might be a woman with a weapon. If that is how they are trained to handle a 100 pound, handcuffed woman that is on her back in the back seat of the cruiser then police training is sorely lacking. I've read several stories kids under the age of 10 have been cuffed and taken out of schools recently. Is that how the officer should respond to one of them that kicks him in the shin? Gotta neutralize those threats, right?

You think he knew he would do that much damage? He punched her as he would punch anyone that warranted being punched. Sickening would have been if he had continued to hit her over and over...upon being kicked once he hit her once...the amount of damage to some degree is insignificant to this matter.

 

Anytime you punch someone in the face you have to know you're going to do some damage--especially when you're subject can't move defend themselves. If you want to defend it fine. I would hope most officers, yours included would take to extra 2 seconds to realize that they don't have to inflict any harm in that situation. She wasn't going anywhere, clearly didn't have a weapon and wasn't endangering anyone else. Just because he might have been justified in punching her doesn't mean it was necessary.

 

I'd be justified in shooting an 80 year old woman with dementia that was confused and was trying to enter the wrong house if I said I felt threatened--that wouldn't make it right.

Your hyperbole is unceasing :lol2: I never said that I thought it was right or wrong...I was just giving a different perspective as to how to look at things.

 

In many cases you don't have the luxury of 2 seconds or slo-mo replay to determine your actions...if you are struck you strike back...some one points a gun at you, you shoot first.

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That's no excuse. This was clearly not a life or death situation. I understand it when in situations where it might be a woman with a weapon. If that is how they are trained to handle a 100 pound, handcuffed woman that is on her back in the back seat of the cruiser then police training is sorely lacking. I've read several stories kids under the age of 10 have been cuffed and taken out of schools recently. Is that how the officer should respond to one of them that kicks him in the shin? Gotta neutralize those threats, right?

 

Who said this was life or death?

 

It clearly wasn't and the officer clearly did not respond as if it were.

Who said this was life or death?

 

It clearly wasn't and the officer clearly did not respond as if it were.

 

He was referring to the officer not having the luxury to Monday morning quarterback and had to react immediately. My point is that since this was not a life or death situation he had plenty of time to choose his response without putting himself or anyone else in danger. He chose to punch her in the face.

 

He was referring to the officer not having the luxury to Monday morning quarterback and had to react immediately. My point is that since this was not a life or death situation he had plenty of time to choose his response without putting himself or anyone else in danger. He chose to punch her in the face.

 

Easy to say he had plenty of time when it's not your face she's kicking, right?

 

She chose to kick him in the face. He reacted to that in a split second. My guess is it was more instinct than anything.

What I saw in the video was completely unnecessary. He may well have been within his rights to punch her and will likely face no penalties. That seems to be par for the course. He lost his temper and punched a handcuffed woman that was already in the cruiser so hard he broke her eye orbit. I think any reasonable person can see that was not necessary. But hey, gotta neutralize these threats, right?

 

If you want to defend it have at it. It was a sickening act that did nothing to ensure the officer's safety--just satisfy his temper.

 

You are completely unreasonable and a cop basher. Every thread about police you are bashing them. Please, continue. I will submit you have no clue as to the job or the dangers of it.

 

If you think policing is not being done properly, please apply for a position as an officer and show us how to do it.

You are completely unreasonable and a cop basher. Every thread about police you are bashing them. Please, continue. I will submit you have no clue as to the job or the dangers of it.

 

If you think policing is not being done properly, please apply for a position as an officer and show us how to do it.

 

So you think this officer's response was completely appropriate? Tells new a lot about you.

So you think this officer's response was completely appropriate? Tells new a lot about you.

 

I'm not saying it was or wan't. I wasn't there, I'm not him. Neither or you. That's the point. I wasn't in his situation, mind, etc.

 

Until you or I are in the exact situation, we don't know what we are going to do.

 

As far as what your opinion of me, I really don't care.

I'm not saying it was or wan't. I wasn't there, I'm not him. Neither or you. That's the point. I wasn't in his situation, mind, etc.

 

Until you or I are in the exact situation, we don't know what we are going to do.

 

As far as what your opinion of me, I really don't care.

 

Right back at you.

So you think this officer's response was completely appropriate? Tells new a lot about you.

 

Do you lay any blame at all on the woman and her actions up to that point? There has to be some personal responsibility on citizens when interacting with law enforcement in that manner. All she had to do was comply when told she was under arrest. I don't feel sorry for her and If that makes me a bad person then so be it.

Do you lay any blame at all on the woman and her actions up to that point? There has to be some personal responsibility on citizens when interacting with law enforcement in that manner. All she had to do was comply when told she was under arrest. I don't feel sorry for her and If that makes me a bad person then so be it.

 

Hundreds of orderlies/nurses deal with much more threatening behavior from mentally challenged residents in care facilities every day. If they reacted the way that officer did they would be arrested. I said he might have been justified in his actions, that doesn't make them morally correct.

Hundreds of orderlies/nurses deal with much more threatening behavior from mentally challenged residents in care facilities every day. If they reacted the way that officer did they would be arrested. I said he might have been justified in his actions, that doesn't make them morally correct.

 

Apples to oranges. Care facilities have less chance of weapons and other threats than a police officer potentially faces every day on the street. That's not to say care facilities aren't a potentially dangerous place to work, it's just more controlled.

 

Do you think this woman is mentally challenged?