April 22, 201511 yr It said that they were there to make an arrest for an earlier incident. Surely they had a warrant or at least probable cause to do so--they just had the wrong house. That's what I'm saying. If they have an arrest warrant for someone at 152 XYZ street, and they force their way into 125 XYZ street thinking they're at the right house, that can't be legal, can it? I get it's an honest mistake, but there's no way you can do something like that without repercussions.
April 22, 201511 yr That's what I'm saying. If they have an arrest warrant for someone at 152 XYZ street, and they force their way into 125 XYZ street thinking they're at the right house, that can't be legal, can it? I get it's an honest mistake, but there's no way you can do something like that without repercussions. It is legal. I know of a swat team incident where they knocked door down of guys apartment at 1am and tackled the guy standing at his fridge in his underwear. Turns out the warrant was incorrect and they had the wrong apt. Please accept our apologies.
April 22, 201511 yr It is legal. I know of a swat team incident where they knocked door down of guys apartment at 1am and tackled the guy standing at his fridge in his underwear. Turns out the warrant was incorrect and they had the wrong apt. Please accept our apologies. What if the warrants correct, and they just screw up and go to the wrong house? I don't understand how that can be legal. You need probable cause or a warrant to enter someone's home, don't you? There is neither in that instance.
April 22, 201511 yr It said that they were there to make an arrest for an earlier incident. Surely they had a warrant or at least probable cause to do so--they just had the wrong house. Did they have the wrong house or the guy wasn't there. One of the reports I read, the person of interest was not there.
April 22, 201511 yr What if the warrants correct, and they just screw up and go to the wrong house? I don't understand how that can be legal. You need probable cause or a warrant to enter someone's home, don't you? There is neither in that instance. Good question, that I am not sure. The incident I know, the police knocked down door on the warrant, but the warrant had the wrong apt listed. Nice way to wake up in the morning.
April 22, 201511 yr That's what I'm saying. If they have an arrest warrant for someone at 152 XYZ street, and they force their way into 125 XYZ street thinking they're at the right house, that can't be legal, can it? I get it's an honest mistake, but there's no way you can do something like that without repercussions. Look up the good faith doctrine.
April 22, 201511 yr Did they have the wrong house or the guy wasn't there. One of the reports I read, the person of interest was not there. Someone yelling at them in the street said they were at the wrong house. The police said the person they were looking for was not there. Doesn't necessarily prove they were at the wrong house.
April 22, 201511 yr The 2 articles that I read said that the officers were trying to force their way into the house so I'd say it was not as simple as controlling the dog when someone knocked. Turned out to not even be the correct house. Maybe they should have thrown in a Flash Bang to scare the dog back first What about opening fire with that many people around? In this case it may not have been necessary, as I said. But let's say a man is running at the police shooting at them on that same sidewalk with the same crowd, would they be justified in shooting at him even though there were others around? Of course they would be, they can't allow him to just keep shooting at everyone. Unfortunately Law Enforcement does not have a pause button so they can stop and take time to make life and death decisions over a few hours. They have split seconds to make decisions that lawyers and internet posters dissect for hours and hours or days and days.
April 22, 201511 yr Author Maybe they should have thrown in a Flash Bang to scare the dog back first In this case it may not have been necessary, as I said. But let's say a man is running at the police shooting at them on that same sidewalk with the same crowd, would they be justified in shooting at him even though there were others around? Of course they would be, they can't allow him to just keep shooting at everyone. Unfortunately Law Enforcement does not have a pause button so they can stop and take time to make life and death decisions over a few hours. They have split seconds to make decisions that lawyers and internet posters dissect for hours and hours or days and days. A person shooting in the crowd is a completely different situation. This was a dog--he wasn't armed as far as I could tell. I think the fact that no other officer even attempted to draw a weapon shows just how poor of a decision that this officer made. Perhaps it should be part of their training to let them know that there are zero documented cases of a law enforcement officer ever being killed by a dog.
April 22, 201511 yr A person shooting in the crowd is a completely different situation. This was a dog--he wasn't armed as far as I could tell. I think the fact that no other officer even attempted to draw a weapon shows just how poor of a decision that this officer made. Perhaps it should be part of their training to let them know that there are zero documented cases of a law enforcement officer ever being killed by a dog. I used the shooting as an analogy of a dangerous situation where shooting would be justified in a crowded situation. I think the fact that several officers are attacked and mauled by dogs every year is enough to warrant an over abundance of caution when dealing with dogs that are aggressive towards them. Believe it or not but this happens very often, just no one ever seems to whip their cell phone out when an officer is getting attacked.
April 22, 201511 yr Believe it or not but this happens very often, just no one ever seems to whip their cell phone out when an officer is getting attacked. I feel like it was pretty obvious that this dog wasn't "attacking" anyone. Especially after he/she moved on from the first officer.
April 22, 201511 yr A person shooting in the crowd is a completely different situation. This was a dog--he wasn't armed as far as I could tell. I think the fact that no other officer even attempted to draw a weapon shows just how poor of a decision that this officer made. Perhaps it should be part of their training to let them know that there are zero documented cases of a law enforcement officer ever being killed by a dog. That last statistic you mention is irrelevant. How many police are bitten by dogs? Of course they aren't killed by dogs, they have guns. They're not going to let a dog chew on them until they die.
April 22, 201511 yr Btw, police do tase dogs from time to time. Watch "Dog attacks Police Officer Taser Full News Report" on YouTube
April 22, 201511 yr I feel like it was pretty obvious that this dog wasn't "attacking" anyone. Especially after he/she moved on from the first officer. I never said this dog was attacking, just saying that it happens more than most would think.
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