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Justice Department to Fault Ferguson Police, Seeing Racial Bias in Traffic Stops

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Made it to the first paragraph, can't finish. Police don't issue warrants. Prosecutors and judges do.

 

Also, who's to say many of those warrants aren't out of towners, or warrants issued by the courts for failing to appear or pay fines.

 

Huh? Maybe you should read the whole thing. From what I gathered there are 16K outstanding arrest warrants in a town that has 21K people. Seems to me that there aren't enough police in Ferguson and that an overwhelmingly large percentage of people in Feguson are lawbreakers. The media isn't mentioning this for whatever reason. This seems to add more substance to Michael Briwn being a thug and the police constantly being under attack.

 

At least that it was I got from it.

That is just crazy.

 

I couldn't imagine living there. Makes me grateful to my parents for doing all they could to provide a life for me that set the example for where I want to be in my life and environment I provide for my kids.

From Guru's Link

 

Pulaski County Sheriff's Department

 

2011-12 ARREST RATE PER 1000 RESIDENTS

24.8 Black Rate (it's seriously about 6-8 guys that get arrested over and over, if those guys moved or went to prison the rate would drop to nearly nothing)

15.6 Non-black Rate

I couldn't imagine living there. Makes me grateful to my parents for doing all they could to provide a life for me that set the example for where I want to be in my life and environment I provide for my kids.

Have you ever heard of a place that 70% of the citizens have outstanding warrants? Or even close to half? I haven't. I am still stunned by these numbers.

Have you ever heard of a place that 70% of the citizens have outstanding warrants? Or even close to half? I haven't. I am still stunned by these numbers.

Never in my life. I am as stunned as you are.

Something I'd be interested in seeing is how many of those warrants are for "non-payment" of some type of fine.

 

Southern Poverty Law Center is filing some suits right now on behalf of indigenous people in towns where fines are basically "fundraising" and people, namely the poor who would pay but don't have the ability to, are the ones who are being disproportionately fined.

I would guess the majority are for unpaid fines or child support as those are the arrest I see most often in the local jail tracker.

 

Given the option of a fine or jail most people when given the option always choose to pay a fine instead of jail time...then when they choose not to pay the fine the only option is jail time.

 

Not some grand scheme or scam.

 

What would your answer be to people who are found guilty of committing a crime then not upholding the sentence they agreed to (ie pay a fine)?

I would guess the majority are for unpaid fines or child support as those are the arrest I see most often in the local jail tracker.

 

Given the option of a fine or jail most people when given the option always choose to pay a fine instead of jail time...then when they choose not to pay the fine the only option is jail time.

 

Not some grand scheme or scam.

 

What would your answer be to people who are found guilty of committing a crime then not upholding the sentence they agreed to (ie pay a fine)?

 

 

I understand what you are saying. The point of the SPLC lawsuit is that more often, the people who can actually afford to pay their fines see disproportionate dismissals, and/or aren't even ticketed in the first place and the like. It's just more of a systematic problem where the poor stay poor.

 

If I were an officer, I wouldn't be thrilled about being asked to go into a wealthy, entitled neighborhood and being ordered to start writing tickets for parking violations. However, when cities are doing things like budgeting tickets, seizures, foreigners, all that into future budgets, they have to do things like that to be sure to collect the amount they've projected.

 

That's when it becomes a problem for people who would pay but actually can't afford to. Lots of the plaintiffs in the suit are people who are working, have jobs, and don't have records. They were just people who were written tickets that they were basically targeted for while others are not targeted. Again, the whole point is that these people would, and often did pay the majority of the fines, their circumstances just meant that they weren't able to pay on time, especially later on in the process, and it ended up putting them in the system.

 

IMO, that's just really not the picture you want to see from our legal system. It's one thing to punish crime. It's another thing to go create "crime" to punish so you can meet last year's budget projection.

The amount coming back to most departments isn't worth the trouble of doing what your talking about.

 

Another thing if this was some grand scheme to make money why would you target those least likely to be able to pay? Sounds counter productive to me. But it also sounds targeted or not they were guilty.

The amount coming back to most departments isn't worth the trouble of doing what your talking about.

 

Another thing if this was some grand scheme to make money why would you target those least likely to be able to pay? Sounds counter productive to me. But it also sounds targeted or not they were guilty.

 

You can take a little bit from a whole lot of people and that adds up. In theory, yes, you could take a lot from some people, very few of them actually, but when those people have lots of power, money, and influence, then it isn't as smart to try and do that.

 

Yes, I'm sure they were guilty of things, I just think lots of those things are very inconsequential, and like I stated, statistics support the same kind of charges being dismissed against people of different economic classes at significantly greater rates.

 

 

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