It's just the what our society has become. TV shows that spark controversy grew to high ratings in the 1990s and 2000s. Then, about a decade ago, TV started showing uplifting shows like Home Makeover, Undercover Boss, etc. Guess what? Those shows fizzled out as did society's need to watch feel-good TV. The drama-filled shows are still on the air.

 

You never see the story of Clara Edwards winning the pickle competition at the county fair for 12 straight years leading off a newscast. It's the two-car wreck, the house fire, or the school teacher indicted for sending explicit texts to a student.

 

Sex and violence sells. It's the world we live in. I've come to accept it even though I don't like it.

 

Teachers will tell you. There are dozens of stories every day about teachers who go above and beyond for their student or community but all it takes is one Chester the Molestor story involving a school employee to undo it all.

 

Police officers are the same way. Cops adopting homeless kids, finishing a pizza delivery when the driver wrecks, finding an elderly woman fallen in their backyard, delivering babies on the freeway are the stories that end a newscast. Not lead one.

 

It's just how our society is

 

The difference is no one here lumps all teachers together when one does something illegal. For some reason when one police officer does something illegal, or even simply something perceived as illegal, a lot of people like to act like all police are responsible.

 

If a few "swat raids" go wrong, then police everywhere should use them less. Doesn't matter if the overwhelming majority of them work out perfectly.

 

If one departments response to a riot is perceived as too aggressive, all police should have to give up there armored trucks. Nevermind the fact that those vehicles save lives and do the public no harm what so ever.

 

If one police officer shoots some one who didn't need to be shot, it's a wide spread issue and all police are unfairly criticized. Doesn't matter if the department fires the officer and works on prosecuting him...

 

The "hate" that some people have for police is more than justified, whether you agree with it or not.

 

So you are telling me it's ok to judge and "hate" a group of hundreds of thousands of people based on interactions with a few?

 

How exactly is that justified?

So you are telling me it's ok to judge and "hate" a group of hundreds of thousands of people based on interactions with a few?

 

How exactly is that justified?

 

Let's say someone has had five interactions with police in their life time... That can be traffic stops, on the street, busting a party, whatever... If 4 of those 5 have been a negative experience, how is it NOT justified to feel that way?

 

Let's say someone has had five interactions with police in their life time... That can be traffic stops, on the street, busting a party, whatever... If 4 of those 5 have been a negative experience, how is it NOT justified to feel that way?

 

 

 

Would it be ok to do that if we were talking about a race of people and not police? To judge all based on a few interactions?

Would it be ok to do that if we were talking about a race of people and not police? To judge all based on a few interactions?

 

That happens all the time... What's your point?

 

That happens all the time... What's your point?

 

Didn't ask if it happened...re read my post and get back with me.

Didn't ask if it happened...re read my post and get back with me.

 

I'm telling you it happens, whether it's right or wrong is pretty irrelevant. If a cop can pull me over and interrogate me because I'm black, can I assume that I'm going to get harassed by every officer I encounter? When cops stop profiling people, I'll stop lumping them all together... Until then, my guard is up.

 

I'm telling you it happens, whether it's right or wrong is pretty irrelevant. If a cop can pull me over and interrogate me because I'm black, can I assume that I'm going to get harassed by every officer I encounter? When cops stop profiling people, I'll stop lumping them all together... Until then, my guard is up.

 

My point is it's not ok to judge an entire race based on a few interactions. If I did that I'd be racist. Apparently you think it's ok to judge all police based on the limited few who mess up.

My point is it's not ok to judge an entire race based on a few interactions. If I did that I'd be racist. Apparently you think it's ok to judge all police based on the limited few who mess up.

 

If you told me that the majority of your interactions with people of a different race were negative, I would tell you that your view point of them is probably justified to YOU. Every persons experiences are different. You don't have a negative view of Law Enforcement because you probably haven't had many (if any) negative interactions. Everyone isn't as lukcy as you...

If you told me that the majority of your interactions with people of a different race were negative, I would tell you that your view point of them is probably justified to YOU. Every persons experiences are different. You don't have a negative view of Law Enforcement because you probably haven't had many (if any) negative interactions. Everyone isn't as lukcy as you...

 

What made your experiences negative, if I may ask?

What made your experiences negative, if I may ask?

 

Being told I looked suspicious, but not being told how I looked suspicious. An officer who pulled me over, and the first thing he asks me is "Who's car is this?" Being stopped, taken out of my car, patted down in the middle of the street asked for permission to search my car, all with no P.C., and never given any type of warning. Being picked out of a group of people and questioned while out at the bars on Bardstown Road, I was the only black guy... I could go on and on.

Being told I looked suspicious, but not being told how I looked suspicious. An officer who pulled me over, and the first thing he asks me is "Who's car is this?" Being stopped, taken out of my car, patted down in the middle of the street asked for permission to search my car, all with no P.C., and never given any type of warning. Being picked out of a group of people and questioned while out at the bars on Bardstown Road, I was the only black guy... I could go on and on.

 

Did you have pre-conceived notions that police were "targeting" you before any of this ever happened? From when you were growing up.

 

I have been pulled over and asked the same question. I have been asked if I have anything illegal in my vehicle. I don't count them as negative. I count them as an officer doing his job.

 

JMHO. My experience is not yours.

Did you have pre-conceived notions that police were "targeting" you before any of this ever happened? From when you were growing up.

 

I have been pulled over and asked the same question. I have been asked if I have anything illegal in my vehicle. I don't count them as negative. I count them as an officer doing his job.

 

JMHO. My experience is not yours.

 

I didn't have any pre-concieved notions about police before these things started happening to me, because I was too young. My thoughts on the police stemmed from my personal experiences.

 

A simple "do you have anything illegal in the vehicle" is fine, and like you said, the officer doing his or her job. That's not what I'm talking about. I was profiled because of the car I drive and my skin color, and they were trying to dig for things that weren't there...

I wish all police officers were paid $1 million per year.

 

At least if it were like that, I'd feel like the officer I witnessed tell a friend (a white guy) who worked for the State's Attorney and was breaking no laws that he "knew street law" was probably in the know about something my friend wasn't and not just some moron who probably didn't realize how lucky he was that my friend didn't want to press the issue or that he wasn't someone vindictive enough complain.

 

It'd also probably mean that my friend who is black and whose parents are doctors and successful enough to make contributions to political campaigns that land them tables at all kinds of well-to-do fundraisers wouldn't feel degraded when an officer detained their mother and kept asking, "whose car it was" and "why she was driving it" when he basically pulled her over for DWB. It eventually led to them receiving a letter of apology and, I'd imagine, a guy being very lucky they left it at that.

 

$1 million a year would be good, but it'd also mean that if you went to a community college or some school with "East, West, North, South" (or some variant of those) in front of it, then you probably wouldn't be sniffing the job. It'd mean a lot less in attorney's fees, because I know I wouldn't want to take anything to court against an officer, and that eventually, someone who was a better candidate than me would squeeze me out of my niche in transactional work since there was no money in criminal work, so maybe that's a bad wish for me, but I doubt I'm the only one who thinks that it's a bad idea once it's spelled out like that.

 

I'm honestly not sure if I know of a profession that, as a general rule, gets more butt-hurt about being second guessed when you look at the qualifications of some of the people who are called into question.

 

If I'm going to guess, I'd say that the work I prepare for my supervisors in my profession is second guessed by someone else at least 5 times more than the average officer's decisions in a day just considering the number of hands anything I do is passed through (and, yes, mistakes mean I lose my job, some misfilings could mean potential criminal penalty, and either of those means that malpractice insurance which is basically a MUST carry goes up), but I'm not complaining about it either.

I wish all police officers were paid $1 million per year.

 

At least if it were like that, I'd feel like the officer I witnessed tell a friend (a white guy) who worked for the State's Attorney and was breaking no laws that he "knew street law" was probably in the know about something my friend wasn't and not just some moron who probably didn't realize how lucky he was that my friend didn't want to press the issue or that he wasn't someone vindictive enough complain.

 

It'd also probably mean that my friend who is black and whose parents are doctors and successful enough to make contributions to political campaigns that land them tables at all kinds of well-to-do fundraisers wouldn't feel degraded when an officer detained their mother and kept asking, "whose car it was" and "why she was driving it" when he basically pulled her over for DWB. It eventually led to them receiving a letter of apology and, I'd imagine, a guy being very lucky they left it at that.

 

$1 million a year would be good, but it'd also mean that if you went to a community college or some school with "East, West, North, South" (or some variant of those) in front of it, then you probably wouldn't be sniffing the job. It'd mean a lot less in attorney's fees, because I know I wouldn't want to take anything to court against an officer, and that eventually, someone who was a better candidate than me would squeeze me out of my niche in transactional work since there was no money in criminal work, so maybe that's a bad wish for me, but I doubt I'm the only one who thinks that it's a bad idea once it's spelled out like that.

 

I'm honestly not sure if I know of a profession that, as a general rule, gets more butt-hurt about being second guessed when you look at the qualifications of some of the people who are called into question.

 

If I'm going to guess, I'd say that the work I prepare for my supervisors in my profession is second guessed by someone else at least 5 times more than the average officer's decisions in a day just considering the number of hands anything I do is passed through (and, yes, mistakes mean I lose my job, some misfilings could mean potential criminal penalty, and either of those means that malpractice insurance which is basically a MUST carry goes up), but I'm not complaining about it either.

 

Yeah but then you guys (Lawyers) would be trying to figure out how to sue them everyday to get that Million Dollars. :lol2: