As I understand the negotiation, the privates asked the publics to amend their proposal so that it would only apply to kids moving from publics to privates. Mr. Sears, as spokesman for the publics refused. I can't think of a single good reason for that position. It will be punish kids. The negotiating committee gave the BOC the public proposal and the private proposal. They went with the public proposal.

As I understand the negotiation, the privates asked the publics to amend their proposal so that it would only apply to kids moving from publics to privates. Mr. Sears, as spokesman for the publics refused. I can't think of a single good reason for that position. It will be punish kids. The negotiating committee gave the BOC the public proposal and the private proposal. They went with the public proposal.

Well, I don't think you are thinking hard enough. If you have it ONLY going one way, your chance of it standing up in court is about nil to zero. At least this way, it might.

Well, I don't think you are thinking hard enough. If you have it ONLY going one way, your chance of it standing up in court is about nil to zero. At least this way, it might.

 

Or, you can look at it this way:

 

Mr. Sears and Co. realized that forcing parents to make the decision about high school around the 5th grade would mean many parents of students in private grade schools, in communities without a private high school option, would be forced to remove their children from private grade schools and get them into public middle schools if they wanted their children to be able to play sports as freshmen. This, in theory, could force some smaller private grade schools to close, meaning more money coming into the public schools, since they get so much money per day, per student.

 

This could be some grand Public school conspiracy theory!

Or, you can look at it this way:

 

Mr. Sears and Co. realized that forcing parents to make the decision about high school around the 5th grade would mean many parents of students in private grade schools, in communities without a private high school option, would be forced to remove their children from private grade schools and get them into public middle schools if they wanted their children to be able to play sports as freshmen. This, in theory, could force some smaller private grade schools to close, meaning more money coming into the public schools, since they get so much money per day, per student.

 

This could be some grand Public school conspiracy theory!

At least it's not some right wing conspiracy. :sssh:

 

It could be but I think it is more trying to make sure that they give it a chance to stand up in court. Before they ever get to the step you are mentioning, it would have to past a legal test.

 

To give you another one to add to the $$$ argument, one that is MORE IMPORTANT THAN $$$, an influx of good students would raise their test scores.

At least it's not some right wing conspiracy. :sssh:

 

It could be but I think it is more trying to make sure that they give it a chance to stand up in court. Before they ever get to the step you are mentioning, it would have to past a legal test.

 

To give you another one to add to the $$$ argument, one that is MORE IMPORTANT THAN $$$, an influx of good students would raise their test scores.

 

Wouldn't that be convenient. :sssh:

Wouldn't that be convenient. :sssh:

Hadn't thought of that one, yet, had ya.

Well, I don't think you are thinking hard enough. If you have it ONLY going one way, your chance of it standing up in court is about nil to zero. At least this way, it might.

I don't think that any program that applies a penalty to kids that want to attend a PUBLIC school that their parents tax dollars pay for has any chance in court. The other theory behind rejecting the private proposal is that there are some that want ANY compromise rejected so they can come back to prop 20.

I don't think that any program that applies a penalty to kids that want to attend a PUBLIC school that their parents tax dollars pay for has any chance in court. The other theory behind rejecting the private proposal is that there are some that want ANY compromise rejected so they can come back to prop 20.

Has nothing to do with ATTENDANCE but participation in extracurricular activities. And the Supreme Court has upheld in several instances that schools can limit who can participate via drug testing, grades.

 

Now will they here, good question. But they have before in other areas.

 

As far as your point on Prop 20, I think it is a better choice than the compromises. I don't like the compromises for the reason you stated earlier, penalizes kids too harshly.

Has nothing to do with ATTENDANCE but participation in extracurricular activities. And the Supreme Court has upheld in several instances that schools can limit who can participate via drug testing, grades.

 

Now will they here, good question. But they have before in other areas.

 

As far as your point on Prop 20, I think it is a better choice than the compromises. I don't like the compromises for the reason you stated earlier, penalizes kids too harshly.

Prop 20 limits the penalties to one group of kids and schools. It has no chance of ever being enacted. If we ever get to the point where the BOC or the BOE isn't smart enough to kill it, we'll go to the legislature and if that doesn't work we'll go to the courts.

 

Have the courts ever ruled that it is okay for the state, (and in Kentucky, unlike many other states, the KHSAA is a state agency) to eliminate one class of citizens from access to public school programs?

Prop 20 limits the penalties to one group of kids and schools. It has no chance of ever being enacted. If we ever get to the point where the BOC or the BOE isn't smart enough to kill it, we'll go to the legislature and if that doesn't work we'll go to the courts.

 

Have the courts ever ruled that it is okay for the state, (and in Kentucky, unlike many other states, the KHSAA is a state agency) to eliminate one class of citizens from access to public school programs?

That is your opinion. I disagree. I do not think any kids are penalized in this choice. Not like the compromise is an obvious penalty to the kids.

 

Since it is the parents' choice to enroll in private school, it would be interesting to see how that is upheld.

 

And yes to your question. If you are 19 on August 1st, you are excluded from playing HS sports in the state of KY.

 

If you don't have a certain GPA, you are excluded.

 

If you cannot or will not pass a drug test, you are excluded.

That is your opinion. I disagree. I do not think any kids are penalized in this choice. Not like the compromise is an obvious penalty to the kids.

 

Since it is the parents' choice to enroll in private school, it would be interesting to see how that is upheld.

 

And yes to your question. If you are 19 on August 1st, you are excluded from playing HS sports in the state of KY.

 

If you don't have a certain GPA, you are excluded.

 

If you cannot or will not pass a drug test, you are excluded.

We have been through this before, but in what way does limiting the total number of playoff games to ONE for the privates, while having five for the publics, not hurt the kids in the private schools? In what way does eliminating the chance to generate $80,000 to $100,000 of additional revenue by limiting the number of playoff games not hurt the private schools? Does it not hurt kids and schools if it only hurts private schools and private school kids? Every example of restrictions you cited affects all kids equally and does not discriminate based on school choice. I've said it before, but it bears repeating. If you think our football teams are good, wait until you see our political and legal teams.

We have been through this before, but in what way does limiting the total number of playoff games to ONE for the privates, while having five for the publics, not hurt the kids in the private schools? In what way does eliminating the chance to generate $80,000 to $100,000 of additional revenue by limiting the number of playoff games not hurt the private schools? Does it not hurt kids and schools if it only hurts private schools and private school kids? Every example of restrictions you cited affects all kids equally and does not discriminate based on school choice. I've said it before, but it bears repeating. If you think our football teams are good, wait until you see our political and legal teams.

 

I would say the private schools could work harder and start more private schools in the sections of the state that do not have them but need them. Yes, private schools are DESPARATELY needed.

 

Bolded is the arrogant attitude that leads to people not liking private schools. We are better, have more power and you will not win. Know your role and stay where we tell you to stay.

 

Sorry TA, just being honest. I think this is a good spot for me to bow out before I say anymore that will offend and I will later regret. I will stay and read but will try and refrain from posting. PM me if you wish.

And being called cheaters (or worse) is what leads people not to like public schools.

 

The way I look at TA's statement, it is simply stating that if you attack us, you should expect a massive counterstrike with everything we have. Why would anyone expect anything different? Are we not allowed to protect our children? Oh, I forgot... they’re not our children anymore. They belong to the nearby public school where Sears and Company have their best interest in hand.

And being called cheaters (or worse) is what leads people not to like public schools.

 

The way I look at TA's statement, it is simply stating that if you attack us, you should expect a massive counterstrike with everything we have. Why would anyone expect anything different? Are we not allowed to protect our children? Oh, I forgot... they’re not our children anymore. They belong to the nearby public school where Sears and Company have their best interest in hand.

Several public schools have been involved in cheating and should be dealt with accordingly.

Several public schools have been involved in cheating and should be dealt with accordingly.

Which of course has nothing to do with anything. In fact, it makes the non stop allegations that we cheat even worse. Cheating is fortunately rare and should be dealt with harshly. Think about what you proposed. Your solution for the fact that there are too few private schools in Kentucky to have a meaningful playoff system is for the private school families, that already spend millions of dollars to fund their schools as well as millions of dollars to fund the public schools, should now come up with millions more to give you a private alternative in your part of the state. I suggest that you start your own school. Talk to the folks at Trinity. They'll tell you how Monsenior Steinhouser drove to Lexington to buy used kitchen equipment because he couldn't afford new. They'll tell you about Fr. Allen driving to Cinncinati once a week to teach a class for science teachers about how to teach science and using the money to buy microscopes. They'll tell you about Fr. Allen and his father spending their weekends building a new science lab themselves. There a million stories like that the people associated with these schools could tell. We get really fired up about this stuff because generations of people have spent their lives building these schools and we are darn proud of them. If you want one, build it.