The last line was sarcasm

 

Sorry, I must not have gotten it. I'm going to guess that the independent investigation over whether he did the same probably won't get the humor in it either once it's released.

 

If we're taking a poll of people on the force across all departments in Maricopa County and asking who wants to keep the guy on the condition that anyone who votes to do so has to take him as a partner on their next call that's actually dangerous, how many people vote yes and how many vote no?

 

If that choice were left up to me, I know how I'd choose.

So all I have to do is memorize your address and DOB and I'm scott free...good to know.

 

All police officers and departments do not have computers in their cars. Most around here do but a lot of larger departments with tight budgets don't put them in every cruiser.

 

Not sure about if it is arrestable or not in Arizona, but most non-traffic misdemeanors are arrestable but up to the officers discretion. Example: In Somerset the police don't always arrest shoplifters sometimes they just give them a citation, in some cities they all go to jail.

 

If you're willing to take the chance that the officer doesn't have the ability to pull up your license or call it in to someone that does have that access then by all means give it a try. Just be prepared to be charged with a much more serious offense if it doesn't work. JokersWild looked up the Arizona law and indeed all she was required to do was give her name, address and DOB for an offense like jaywalking--just like in Kentucky. Think about it: as of right now no US citizen is required to carry around ID just to walk the streets. If they don't have ID that would make any minor infraction a cause to take them to jail. What about 90 year olds that don't drive anymore? What about joggers that don't have pockets? What about drivers who have had their licenses suspended and don't have one?

 

In the state of Kentucky, as in most states, you are required to identify yourself if detained or cited by an officer--but you do not have to show your ID unless you are arrested. Except for traffic stops and previously mentioned situations.

Sorry, I must not have gotten it. I'm going to guess that the independent investigation over whether he did the same probably won't get the humor in it either once it's released.

 

If we're taking a poll of people on the force across all departments in Maricopa County and asking who wants to keep the guy on the condition that anyone who votes to do so has to take him as a partner on their next call that's actually dangerous, how many people vote yes and how many vote no?

 

If that choice were left up to me, I know how I'd choose.

 

I wouldn't want you to pick our police force. They'd let everyone who disagrees with the charges assault them, act like an entitled baby and then they wouldn't charge them. Because that's what you expect him to do.

 

And I can't make the decision of how good of a police officer he is based on 5 minutes of dealing with the entitled professor. I thought he handled this situation well

I'll wait here while you type your next novel...:lol2:

I wouldn't want you to pick our police force. They'd let everyone who disagrees with the charges assault them, act like an entitled baby and then they wouldn't charge them. Because that's what you expect him to do.

 

And I can't make the decision of how good of a police officer he is based on 5 minutes of dealing with the entitled professor. I thought he handled this situation well

I'll wait here while you type your next novel...:lol2:

 

 

No problem, I wouldn't want you to pick my legal defense strategy if I were ever on trial, or ever give me any kind of legal advice that I'd have to go to court and rely on.

 

Lawyers are awful people until you need one. Same for police officers.

 

That's all.

No problem, I wouldn't want you to pick my legal defense strategy if I were ever on trial, or ever give me any kind of legal advice that I'd have to go to court and rely on.

 

Lawyers are awful people until you need one. Same for police officers.

 

That's all.

 

Um...what's that got to do with anything? Im am not an attorney so why in God's name would anyone ever want me to pick a legal defense strategy or give legal advice? :lol2:

 

I don't recall saying anything negative about lawyers. There are some good ones, some bad ones, some smart ones and some that aren't so smart. I don't agree that either are awful people in general. There are some awful lawyers and some awful police.

Um...what's that got to do with anything? Im am not an attorney so why in God's name would anyone ever want me to pick a legal defense strategy or give legal advice? :lol2:

 

I don't recall saying anything negative about lawyers. There are some good ones, some bad ones, some smart ones and some that aren't so smart. I don't agree that either are awful people in general. There are some awful lawyers and some awful police.

 

Then it'd be nice if you'd give me a little credit when I say that, as a matter of trial strategy, in my opinion, it was probably a bad idea to try and take the felony charge to trial, and that there might be serious questions about whether or not it was even a lawful arrest once it gets to trial even if I am a smart aleck, take up for people who might act entitled or bratty, or you don't like me, etc.

 

There's an officer in Texas who was just fired/forced to resign because he shot a 90 year old woman 3 times. People were outraged. What wasn't mentioned was that the 90 year old woman had a gun in her hand (and was probably suffering for some type of dementia) and that he was responding to call at her residence. Based on what little I know about that situation, he's an officer that, if I were asked to, I'd represent to the death and exhaust every remedy possible, because to me, it sounds like he was doing his job right and the headlines and sensationalization kind of forced the Department's hand and someone's head had to roll so it looked like they did something. If I had my license and felt I could represent him well, and he came to me, I'd love to be on his side (based on what I know about the whole thing right now).

 

If it's the guy in the ASU case, then no. He already has two controversies just by trying to keep the peace at a huge state research university that is in a very low crime area. I live in the southwest right now, and I can say that he seems like the kind of dude who would get himself, his partner, or someone innocent hurt if he kept advancing and got into working with the general public where he might be dealing with some very hardened criminals of the cartel variety.

And I don't think the woman should have kicked him, that she put herself in that situation, and that she could have handled it better. I also think the guy in question could have done plenty of things himself to keep it from getting there as well.

 

It's kind of circumstance that the charge was even agreed to since he's in Maricopa County and they have such a tough, strict DA because I'd think that there are other places he could have been where the DA might have told him that while what happened wasn't right, and that he didn't agree, the reality of the situation might be that, career wise, it'd be safer to skip on that charge and hope she had learned her lesson from the night in jail and that so he/she wasn't going to pursue it because of the spotlight it might bring.

Joker, it's not that I don't trust your opinion. It's just that I do feel like the prosecuting attorney has a better grasp on this than you.

Joker, it's not that I don't trust your opinion. It's just that I do feel like the prosecuting attorney has a better grasp on this than you.

 

 

I'm sure they do.

 

It's also an office that's been sued more than once and with the way the Feds have dealt with them already, I'm guessing they probably won't hesitate to use something like this to do it again. Maricopa County's last DA just fought a case through Appeals all the way to the point that it was one step lower than the Supreme Court. They still upheld a judgment against them, anything that the prosecutors do is might end up getting overturned on appeal anyway.

 

I just think a lot of it is basically for show now and there's better use of the public's money when it's easier to just cut losses.

 

It's all cool though, I'm sure the prosecutor knows tons more than me and that they'll do what they want with it. It'll be interesting to see it play out.

Update:

 

Court appearance was made earlier this afternoon. Officer on administrative leave, ASU has now asked the FBI to come investigate for any potential Civil Rights violations. Just my opinion, but I'm going to guess Mr. Ferrin isn't going to like what's about to be found.

 

I will throw out a guess that the DA might not be the most confident guy in Arizona either given their penchant for trying to defy the Feds on things in the past too.

 

Haven't even gotten to the juicy stuff with the kid who called 911 being called as a witness, but they'll probably save that for the Civil suit. I've got a feeling they might not need him to escape the conviction they were never going to get anyway in this one.

 

 

Arrested ASU professor makes court appearance in Mesa

What a waste of taxpayer dollars. The professor asked for everything that she got. I wonder how much money the top ASU officials donated to the Obama campaign to rate such a favor. Crime is a state and local issue in nearly all cases.

 

Resisting arrest and/or assaulting a police officer is not a federal offense. Once again, Eric Holder's goons are dispatched to Arizona in an attempt to intimidate local law enforcement officials.

 

Politicizing the Justice Department, including the FBI, as well as the EPA, IRS, and other federal agencies will go down in history as a big part of Obama's legacy.

There's a Wikipedia page just for 'Maricopa County Sheriff's Office Controversies' with 114 entries, and plenty of those came while Bush was still in office. The county has literally not even been a full month since their last suit got settled, and you want to talk about wasting money?

 

I think you know that it's a pretty heavy Republican lean as well. They had this McCain guy there even, and I'm really doubting they have very many big donors to Obama. Don't worry though, you can flip the narrative from them bribing Obama to Obama probably being against them for being so Republican and I won't tell anyone.

 

 

Resisting arrest is a crime, but it helps your case if the detention/arrest is completely lawful and you don't have lots of questionable things that surround it coming into play.

 

Want to bet the FBI finds the officer didn't act lawfully? I'm surprised the DA even thought it was a good idea to let the kid go through with the charges unless he just had something against him. The goof was too stupid to realize he was going to be a sacrificial lamb.

 

 

Just my opinion, but if you are campus PD, it's a bad sign when you are on the evening news because you can't even pull off a crap jaywalking charge without making it turn into an incident that embarrasses the school and makes news in foreign countries.

 

 

Look at the pictures of the area she was in. The road was basically a parking lot open to 8 businesses. I would love to know how many people have jaywalked there? There's also the small detail about the initial police report(s) not having the "almost hit her" line in it until a bit later too. Wonder if that comes up in the FBI's civil rights investigation that’s about to open? You seem to be a big guy on the Constitution, so I'm a bit surprised about your stance on that whole issue considering it was the reason for the detention and all, but that those rights may only attach to Republicans.

 

 

There's already been one felony charge dropped that even the Maricopa County DA wouldn't bring. Does that not tell you anything? When, of all people, the Maricopa County DA's office is the one telling you that you've overcharged, that's a pretty solid indicator that something went wrong. Maybe the DA knows something I don't, and I've definitely been told as much, but I called this bloodbath a few days ago and am surprised that anyone else is really surprised.

 

 

I guess she deserved what she got if being at your place of employment and expecting to be treated like all the other people in the area who are jaywalking, but maybe just daring to do it while black is a crime. Or maybe it's not respecting Stewart Ferrin exactly to his liking. Maybe he isn't racist. Maybe he's just not very good at being a police officer, he picks the freaking professor to go try to hit with two felonies and expects to make them stick, especially with someone calling 911 saying he's being too aggressive.

 

 

Doctor probably should have just shut her mouth and took her ticket from him, praised him while he babbled on trying to insult her with junk like "do you know this is a road?" (and the rest of his garbage that I'm not even bothering to look up again) when he probably wasn't even a capable enough student to sit in one of her classrooms. That does not mean I don't think there aren't smart cops because there definitely are, I just don't think he's just not one of them.

 

Hell, she probably should have just thanked him for letting her even be there in the first place. I mean, he's freaking campus PD, how dare she not have anything but the upmost respect for him while he tries to insult her? I'm not sure she was the (only) one acting 'entitled' if we really want to get down to it.

 

 

I think it's safe to say he'd have gotten plenty of respect if he didn't start by showing a complete lack of respect for her. Maybe he could have even let her get out a request that they could be respectful to one another before he went and cut her off by trying to stumbling through the law incorrectly and jumping at the first chance to arrest, but that's just me.

 

 

Maybe this isn't some big political ordeal where the Feds are plotting to get a kid on the ASU campus PD to go down. Maybe they are reluctantly stepping in at request of the university as they try to salvage one of the few departments in Maricopa County that wasn't hemorrhaging money from lawsuits already before things get any worse and eventually got kicked up to their courts anyway. It'd be refreshing to see a little common sense restored to the whole thing because it was needed long ago and could have prevented the whole thing from getting so out of hand.

There's a Wikipedia page just for 'Maricopa County Sheriff's Office Controversies' with 114 entries, and plenty of those came while Bush was still in office. The county has literally not even been a full month since their last suit got settled, and you want to talk about wasting money?

 

I think you know that it's a pretty heavy Republican lean as well. They had this McCain guy there even, and I'm really doubting they have very many big donors to Obama. Don't worry though, you can flip the narrative from them bribing Obama to Obama probably being against them for being so Republican and I won't tell anyone.

 

 

Resisting arrest is a crime, but it helps your case if the detention/arrest is completely lawful and you don't have lots of questionable things that surround it coming into play.

 

Want to bet the FBI finds the officer didn't act lawfully? I'm surprised the DA even thought it was a good idea to let the kid go through with the charges unless he just had something against him. The goof was too stupid to realize he was going to be a sacrificial lamb.

 

 

Just my opinion, but if you are campus PD, it's a bad sign when you are on the evening news because you can't even pull off a crap jaywalking charge without making it turn into an incident that embarrasses the school and makes news in foreign countries.

 

 

Look at the pictures of the area she was in. The road was basically a parking lot open to 8 businesses. I would love to know how many people have jaywalked there? There's also the small detail about the initial police report(s) not having the "almost hit her" line in it until a bit later too. Wonder if that comes up in the FBI's civil rights investigation that’s about to open? You seem to be a big guy on the Constitution, so I'm a bit surprised about your stance on that whole issue considering it was the reason for the detention and all, but that those rights may only attach to Republicans.

 

 

There's already been one felony charge dropped that even the Maricopa County DA wouldn't bring. Does that not tell you anything? When, of all people, the Maricopa County DA's office is the one telling you that you've overcharged, that's a pretty solid indicator that something went wrong. Maybe the DA knows something I don't, and I've definitely been told as much, but I called this bloodbath a few days ago and am surprised that anyone else is really surprised.

 

 

I guess she deserved what she got if being at your place of employment and expecting to be treated like all the other people in the area who are jaywalking, but maybe just daring to do it while black is a crime. Or maybe it's not respecting Stewart Ferrin exactly to his liking. Maybe he isn't racist. Maybe he's just not very good at being a police officer, he picks the freaking professor to go try to hit with two felonies and expects to make them stick, especially with someone calling 911 saying he's being too aggressive.

 

 

Doctor probably should have just shut her mouth and took her ticket from him, praised him while he babbled on trying to insult her with junk like "do you know this is a road?" (and the rest of his garbage that I'm not even bothering to look up again) when he probably wasn't even a capable enough student to sit in one of her classrooms. That does not mean I don't think there aren't smart cops because there definitely are, I just don't think he's just not one of them.

 

Hell, she probably should have just thanked him for letting her even be there in the first place. I mean, he's freaking campus PD, how dare she not have anything but the upmost respect for him while he tries to insult her? I'm not sure she was the (only) one acting 'entitled' if we really want to get down to it.

 

 

I think it's safe to say he'd have gotten plenty of respect if he didn't start by showing a complete lack of respect for her. Maybe he could have even let her get out a request that they could be respectful to one another before he went and cut her off by trying to stumbling through the law incorrectly and jumping at the first chance to arrest, but that's just me.

 

 

Maybe this isn't some big political ordeal where the Feds are plotting to get a kid on the ASU campus PD to go down. Maybe they are reluctantly stepping in at request of the university as they try to salvage one of the few departments in Maricopa County that wasn't hemorrhaging money from lawsuits already before things get any worse and eventually got kicked up to their courts anyway. It'd be refreshing to see a little common sense restored to the whole thing because it was needed long ago and could have prevented the whole thing from getting so out of hand.

Nice rant. The video is pretty cut and dry. The professor deserved exactly what she got. The police officer showed great patience and restraint in dealing with her. The professor was given ample opportunity to follow the officer's instructions. Now, Obama's politicized FBI is once again interfering in a local criminal matter.

 

As for hemorrhaging money, the federal government is responsible for Maricopa County's fiscal problems. If Obama was even making an attempt to secure this nation's southern border, the crime rate in the Phoenix area would drop sharply. Maybe the border guards should be relieved of their babysitting duties and allowed to do the jobs for which they were hired.

 

It is unbelievable that a story like this one has garnered so much national attention.

Nice rant. The video is pretty cut and dry. The professor deserved exactly what she got. The police officer showed great patience and restraint in dealing with her. The professor was given ample opportunity to follow the officer's instructions. Now, Obama's politicized FBI is once again interfering in a local criminal matter.

 

As for hemorrhaging money, the federal government is responsible for Maricopa County's fiscal problems. If Obama was even making an attempt to secure this nation's southern border, the crime rate in the Phoenix area would drop sharply. Maybe the border guards should be relieved of their babysitting duties and allowed to do the jobs for which they were hired.

 

It is unbelievable that a story like this one has garnered so much national attention.

 

 

Wow. I must be mistaken. I didn't know Obama was President in 2001 when Demery v. Arpaio was filed.

 

Shall I keep going or you want to just have me hit the high points? There are plenty to pick from and we can keep going if you need more to convince you.

 

 

Maybe our Consitutional interpretations are a little off too when it comes to lawful arrests/detentions, but I'm punting to you on that one because I'm not typing any more on it. There's really no point in wasting keystrokes. You strike me as a Republican/Libertarian type who is big on Constitutional rights though, so I am a little surprised.

Wow. I must be mistaken. I didn't know Obama was President in 2001 when Demery v. Arpaio was filed.

 

Shall I keep going or you want to just have me hit the high points? There are plenty to pick from and we can keep going if you need more to convince you.

 

 

Maybe our Consitutional interpretations are a little off too when it comes to lawful arrests/detentions, but I'm punting to you on that one because I'm not typing any more on it. There's really no point in wasting keystrokes. You strike me as a Republican/Libertarian type who is big on Constitutional rights though, so I am a little surprised.

Arpaio has been high on liberals' hit list for many years. Now that you have a President and an Attorney General who have no respect for the U.S. Constitution and unlimited resources, even a jaywalking citation involving a minority becomes a federal case.

 

You are right, you are wasting keystrokes defending a left wing professor who has done nothing to deserve a defense that she is not willing to mount herself. Obama uses "issues" like this one to divert attention away from his failed presidency.