He a horse's rear end without question.

 

He's the worst owner ever.

 

If you kick him out for his comments you're setting yourself up. Are you going to kick out the owner who says gays shouldn't be allowed to marry? If not you're saying "we don't really care about discrimination. We just care about PERCEPTION and we should look like we care about discrimination against blacks because that's the majority of our product."

 

If you wouldn't vote to oust an owner who says gays shouldn't marry or he doesn't like seeing gay guys kiss at his games then you can't vote out Sterling in the name of prejudice. That's what Cuban is saying.

 

I see your point. I agree with PP92. Your analogy (and Cuban's) doesn't work. Gay rights are different than racism. The main difference is there is no legitimate religious or moral belief that supports racism. There is legitimate religious belief opposed to gay rights. I don't agree with it, but there are intelligent, rational people opposed to various gay issues due to religious beliefs.

Good points on both. I really hadn't thought of it how you put it in #1, but that makes a lot of sense each way.

 

I took it like I did because I don't really think it's fair to say that a black person wearing a hoodie is trouble. I understand why he didn't say something extreme, as he did in his example with the white guy, like "sagging pants and a purple bandanna in his pocket", just thought that it was a bit much to say that an article of clothing that would be (at least to him if I'm reading his comments correctly) fairly innocuous on most other races is enough to make him cross the street.

 

I say this as someone who has done legal aid at a homeless shelter where people go through metal detectors and are patted down for needles before entering, so trust me, I see suspicious people of any and all races.

 

I just thought that, even though he was being honest, it's a little unfair to say that a black person has to be well dressed so he doesn't appear suspicious to someone (especially when it would appear that he might not have said the same thing about a white person, at least as readily).

 

My problem isn't with the action or his admitting it. I actually respect his admitting it and his honesty is refreshing and is probably going to generate some positive debate. I'm not denying that everyone has prejudices. I do, however, think that there's a problem with the thought that "whoa, black guy in a hoodie, maybe I'm about to get robbed or beat up, better cross the street just in case". However, if he would have said the same thing if you replace 'black guy' with 'white guy' (Cuban's own race) in the above example and it would still hold true, then I have little to no problem with his stance.

 

I think you're getting bogged down in details vs seeing the big picture and point he was trying to make.

 

Of course it's illogical to fear a black guy because of a hoodie. It's also illogical to fear him for gold teeth, rims, do-rags, hip-hop, color of his skin. It's all illogical YET we're humans. Some of those will impact some people. That's his point. The "what" is immaterial. The "does" part is key.

 

We have irrational fears. We sometimes act because of them.

I see your point. I agree with PP92. Your analogy (and Cuban's) doesn't work. Gay rights are different than racism. The main difference is there is no legitimate religious or moral belief that supports racism. There is legitimate religious belief opposed to gay rights. I don't agree with it, but there are intelligent, rational people opposed to various gay issues due to religious beliefs.

 

OK so let's change it so we can see the point I'm making. An owner says "gays are the devil." "God hates gays." "I hate when you bring fags to the game."

 

Would the owners vote to kick that owner out?

 

Zero chance.

To be honest, I'd be more scared of white skinheads with swastika tattoos than young black men wearing hoodies.

 

Maybe that makes me some kind of reverse racist.

To be honest, I'd be more scared of white skinheads with swastika tattoos than young black men wearing hoodies.

 

I'd be more scared of the white skinheads with swastika tattoos also. By far. Like, not even close.

I think you're getting bogged down in details vs seeing the big picture and point he was trying to make.

 

Of course it's illogical to fear a black guy because of a hoodie. It's also illogical to fear him for gold teeth, rims, do-rags, hip-hop, color of his skin. It's all illogical YET we're humans. Some of those will impact some people. That's his point. The "what" is immaterial. The "does" part is key.

 

We have irrational fears. We sometimes act because of them.

 

 

True. I used the purple bandana in my example because it was a gang affiliation sign, as in someone outwardly showing you that you might have a reason to fear them.

"I hate when you bring fags to the game."

 

Would the owners vote to kick that owner out?

 

Zero chance.

 

 

I think this statement would be troubling and could get that owner kicked out. It's one thing to take the Chick-Fil-A route. It's a whole other ballgame to become derogatory with it.

To be honest, I'd be more scared of white skinheads with swastika tattoos than young black men wearing hoodies.

 

Maybe that makes me some kind of reverse racist.

 

 

I know what you are getting at for sure.

 

I think do think the term reverse racist is kind of an oxymoron though. If you want equality it means treating everyone equally.

I'd be more scared of the white skinheads with swastika tattoos also. By far. Like, not even close.

 

True story. Forgive the length.

 

When I started working at the detox/treatment unit of the local CMHC in 1979, most of the local banks were closed on Wednesdays. Well, we soon had a payday that fell on a Wednesday. We were trying to figure out where to get our paychecks cashed.

 

The director of the unit suggested that we go to Tollesboro, just a few miles east, but in another (Lewis) county. One of my co-workers, a black ex-Marine, said that he would consider it, but that he would be just about the only black man in that county when he crossed the county line.

 

The director told him, "I'm Catholic, and when I cross the county line, I'm one of a very few Catholics in Lewis County".

 

To which my fellow shift worker said, "Yeah, but you can pretend you Baptist".

True story. Forgive the length.

 

When I started working at the detox/treatment unit of the local CMHC in 1979, most of the local banks were closed on Wednesdays. Well, we soon had a payday that fell on a Wednesday. We were trying to figure out where to get our paychecks cashed.

 

The director of the unit suggested that we go to Tollesboro, just a few miles east, but in another (Lewis) county. One of my co-workers, a black ex-Marine, said that he would consider it, but that he would be just about the only black man in that county when he crossed the county line.

 

The director told him, "I'm Catholic, and when I cross the county line, I'm one of a very few Catholics in Lewis County".

 

To which my fellow shift worker said, "Yeah, but you can pretend you Baptist".

 

 

:lol2: :lol2:

 

That is excellent. :lol2:

 

Just Saying!