Has anybody on here looked at enrollment numbers in colleges these days? The enrollments are nearly 60% female. Thats 3:2 for those of you that like fractions. What does this say? It says that 17 year old males are not cutting it n College. Males need an extra year of maturity before College. Two would probably be even better.

holding kids back in middle school just corrects an injustice

 

We are not talking about 17 year olds in college, we are talking about 19 year olds in high school. If a kid that would have been 17 starting college was held back 1 year he would still only be 18 his senior year.

KY schools rank mid-twenties in US academic achievement most years. This "ain't" 30 years ago when we brought up the caboose in "book larnin." In all reality considering our population to poverty ratio our schools are working miracles.

 

Athletics give kids hope when most of the time there is none. Let's stop demonizing them. Fair to say most of us on here spend a good amount of time glorifying athletics between college and pros, but when it comes to school athletics; God forbid you want to get to a higher level.

 

I have no desire to demonize a kid for his athletic prowess but when his advancement in athletics is largely due to him being a year older than his competition it rings a little hollow.

I have no desire to demonize a kid for his athletic prowess but when his advancement in athletics is largely due to him being a year older than his competition it rings a little hollow.

 

Nationally, if you go down ESPN's Top 100, you'd be surprised (or perhaps not) at the amount of kids that have been held back and are a year older than their class. It's a national issue.

Nationally, if you go down ESPN's Top 100, you'd be surprised (or perhaps not) at the amount of kids that have been held back and are a year older than their class. It's a national issue.

 

My kid is 17 during his senior season and competes for scholarships with kids two years older than him. Football programs want kids that are maturationally ready to play in their freshman year. This means you had better be at least turning 19 during you senior year.

 

Coaches wanting to keep multi million dollar jobs have no interest in red shirting freshman. If KHSAA is going to allow you to compete in varsity sports as a senior as long as you do not turn 19 until after Aug 1st, you are doing nothing but taking advantage of the rules in place.

 

Furthermore, if you are going to allow early enrollment in primary school, then you have to allow middle school holdbacks. Kentucky HS football is already disrespected nationally. If you force this rule, it will only get worse and we will be turning out hs males that are less successful academically, and receiving even less athletic scholarship.

Edited April 24, 201412 yr by bballguy

Has anybody on here looked at enrollment numbers in colleges these days? The enrollments are nearly 60% female. Thats 3:2 for those of you that like fractions. What does this say? It says that 17 year old males are not cutting it n College. Males need an extra year of maturity before College. Two would probably be even better.

holding kids back in middle school just corrects an injustice

 

What in the heck does this mean? Corrects an injustice? Not following, please elaborate.

Nationally, if you go down ESPN's Top 100, you'd be surprised (or perhaps not) at the amount of kids that have been held back and are a year older than their class. It's a national issue.

 

I am fully aware of how many of the top 100 are19 but tell me this, how many of that group in the top 100 are at prep schools. If you divide each number by half just for simple math that leaves 25 kids 19 years old in regular high school. Out of that 25 how many would have still been division one if they came out a year earlier. I would venture to say all of them.

Play 12u, 13u, and 14u in the 6th, 7th, and 8th grades and let every kid play. Holdback or not it levels the playing field for everyone in every sport. 15 year old 8th graders should be playing freshman sports if they realy want to be improving their game, not smacking around 12 and 13 old kids that didn't FAIL.

Should be no holdbacks unles it is because of poor grades, just beause Jr. plays sports does not mean he will get a free ride in college. If Mom and Pop does*nt think Jr. is mature enough to enter college at a young age, then let him join the real world and get a job for a year or two before entering college..or another option would be to join the military and get a free education..

The rule is 15 in 8th man. So it would be 15u.

This rule has been in effect forever. Now it just includes 7-8 grade.

There could be a 15u, but not many of those kids would be in the 8th grade. Most 15 year olds are freshmen or sophmores. So I guess they could let freshmen and sophmores play 15u as long as they are not 16 before Aug. 31st.

Edited April 29, 201412 yr by Tig70

So you would have a 13-15 yr old league in order to have the amount of kids needed to play football. That's middle school ages.

 

Back where we started

Where we started is the KHSAA is acomidating students that have FAILED up to 2 years to participate in sports. The loss of eligability will easily be dealt with by FAILING them in earlier years. At our school the normal age for entering 7th grade in September is 12, 8th grade is 13. Of the 60 plus kids on the 7&8th grade football team I'm 99% sure their were no 15 year olds, and on our 7th grade basketball team I'm 100% sure their were no 14yr olds playing. That 7th grade team (if failed 1 year) would have been eligible to (by current KHSAA rules) play 6th gade ball and probably win every tournement in the state.

 

WOW!! How many 15 year olds do you have on your football team?

Any kid turning 15 after August 1st would be eligible. The more the merrier.

04/29/14 ? Middle School Frequently Asked Questions and Answers (updated) | Kentucky High School Athletic Association

 

 

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS/UPDATE – MIDDLE SCHOOL ATHLETICS REGULATIONS

 

Authority and Jurisdiction

 

What is Middle School as used in these regulations and rules?

Middle School is defined by competition conducted between grades 6 through 8 to align with assessment parameters and divisions.

 

Can SBC or Local Board of Education enact a rule/policy that is either more restrictive or more lenient than the restrictions in the regulation?

A school based council or Local Board of Education MAY make policies MORE restrictive than the KHSAA policies. A school based council or Local Board of Education MAY NOT make policies that are LESS restrictive or more permissive.

 

How are rules created/revised that will be applied statewide?

The Commissioner appoints a Middle School Advisory Committee within the parameters of 702 KAR 7:065. This committee meets not less than annually to review the regulation, discuss policies, and consider any potential changes to the middle school section of the regulation. If any changes were proposed, the Committee forwards them to the Commissioner for presentation to the Kentucky Board of Education as part of an annual report required within the regulation. Following that presentation, any change accompanies the high school changes in the required regulatory review process including approval by the Administrative Regulation Review SubCommittee of the Kentucky General Assembly. These rules can also be changed by direct action of the Kentucky Board of Education, or by action approved through the Kentucky General Assembly.

 

Who are the members of the Middle School Advisory Committee?

The roster of members is found on the KHSAA website at Current Members ? Middle School Advisory Committee | Kentucky High School Athletic Association

 

How is communication handled between, and to, the KHSAA and the middle schools?

The KHSAA will develop a database of schools, primarily from the listings at the Kentucky Department of Education and the Kentucky Non-Public School Commission. Each school will be asked to designate a single individual for reporting and communication purposes. Initial communication will also be with the Superintendents of each local school district with the request that the information be forwarded to the appropriate personnel.

 

Coaches

 

Are there any restrictions on middle school coaches being involved in coaching outside teams?

Currently, there are no statewide regulations on coaching outside teams, and any restrictions with regard to middle school coaches coaching non-school teams would be a local level decision.

 

Are there any restrictions on coaching outside levels within the same school system?

Currently, there are no statewide regulations on other levels within the system, and any restrictions with regard to middle school coaches coaching other levels within the school system would be a local level decision.

 

Requirements/Recommendations for Eligibility

 

Repeating Students

For restrictions on middle school students being eligible while repeating a grade, please see the post at 04/15/14 ? Middle School Regulation-Repeating Students, Age | Kentucky High School Athletic Association

 

Age Restrictions

For information on restrictions on middle school students with respect to age, please see the post at 04/15/14 ? Middle School Regulation-Repeating Students, Age | Kentucky High School Athletic Association

 

Home School Students

Currently, there are no statewide regulations on home school students participating at the middle school level and any such restriction would be a local level decision.

 

Students Enrolled at Other Schools, Including Schools that are not under the same Board of Education

Currently, there are no statewide regulations that students are to be enrolled at a specific school or school system for participation at the middle school level and any such restriction would be a local level decision.

 

If a student is “grandfathered” having “played up” at the high school level in one sport/sport activity, does that “grandfathered” status now permit the student to play a new sport/sport-activity at the high school level?

No. A student is grandfathered and remains eligible at the high school only in the sports/sport-activities that they participated in during the 2013-14 school year.

 

Coaching Requirements

 

What are the requirements for Middle School Coaches?

Coaches must adhere to the requirements of KRS 156.070 (2)(f) (age and graduation requirements, Kentucky Revised Statutes KRS 160.445 (sports safety course, http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Statutes/statute.aspx?id=41871) and KRS 160.380(4) and (6) (background checks, http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Statutes/statute.aspx?id=40245).

 

Are middle school coaches required to be twenty-one years of age, whether they are paid or not?

Yes, whether paid or unpaid, per KRS 160.380(4)

 

Are middle school coaches required to complete the Sports Safety Course as listed in KRS 160.445?

Yes. During the 2014-2015 school year, the KHSAA will begin providing an automated means of monitoring this requirement for the middle schools in the state.

 

Do job openings for middle school coaches require posting, application periods, etc.?

Currently, there are no statewide regulations on posting requirements for middle school coaching positions, and any requirements would be a local level decision but must be compliant with adopted local policies.

 

When will the sports safety course be open to middle school coaches?

Since 2009, the course has been public on the KHSAA website. Coaches may take the course now.

 

Officials

Are middle schools required to only use KHSAA licensed officials?

No. This is a local school/school system/conference/association group of schools decision. Licensed officials provide a means of vetting (including background checks) and training, but the use of only licensed officials is not addressed in statewide restrictions.

 

Will assigning secretaries have to be used for assigning games (and paid)?

No. This is a local school/school system/conference/association group of schools decision.

 

Will schools be able to continue hiring their own officials?

Yes. This is a local school/school system/conference/association group of schools decision.

 

Will the Board of Control or the KHSAA set a standard pay rate for officials?

Per 702 KAR 7:065, middle school athletics is not under the direction of the KHSAA Board of Control. The Middle School Advisory Committee has not recommended a standard pay rate for officials. This is a local school/school system/conference/association group of schools decision.

 

Limitation of Seasons

Will there be restrictions on students playing on multiple levels of teams in the same sport (i.e. girls middle school basketball, followed by high school, followed by outside play, etc.)?

It is important to remember that nothing about this regulation changes or supersedes KRS 156.070 (2)© which prohibits state or local rules related to 7th and 8th grade students playing on high school teams, and also prohibits a local board from adopting a rule that makes the athletes “choose” one level or the other.

 

In addition, all local schools must adopt a limit of seasons. That limit of seasons may not exceed the high school limit of seasons (KHSAA Bylaw 23) but is not required to use the same dates. For example, a locally adopted baseball season may not have more than four weeks of preseason practices, eight weeks of games, 36 total contests, 2 total scrimmages and three weeks of postseason play. The decisions related to the time of year, etc. are local decisions and not currently contained in statewide regulations.

 

What about kids who leave my practice and go practice with an AAU team, how can we limit this?

There are no statewide rules that address this issue and this would be a local decision. Currently, at the high school level, only football and basketball have any restrictions to play on outside teams during the school year.

 

Will all sports be aligned to play in the same season?

When a sport or sport-activity season is played at the middle school level remains a local decision. Many schools and systems are limited in the available time in gyms or fields. It was felt by both the original task force and the current Middle School Advisory Committee that this should be left to the local level, thereby allowing schools to address facilities issues on an individual basis.

 

Who can teams play?

Schools (single schools or combined teams) may only compete in contests against schools, including combined elementary or middle school teams (including non-public schools/teams) that adhere to the provisions of 702 KAR 7:065(3).

 

Requirements/Recommendations for Sports Medicine Coverage

 

Are middle school coaches required to monitor the Heat Index and adhere to the heat index protocols including cancelling practice/games, etc. in certain conditions?

Yes. Details are on the KHSAA website.

 

Are middle school wrestlers required to adhere to the NWCA descent chart and calculations in order to compete?

Yes. Details are on the KHSAA website.

 

Do the statewide rules regarding concussion management, including return to play, apply to middle school level play?

Yes. Details are on the KHSAA website.

 

Dead Period

 

Does the High School Dead Period apply to middle school athletics?

No. The dead period is a High School rule. There is no statewide middle school rule related to the dead period, and the implementation of such a restriction would be a local level decision.

 

Title IX

 

Will the KHSAA Title IX program apply to middle schools (annual reports)?

No. However, for any meetings conducted by the KHSAA related to Title IX or other resources, they will be shared with Middle School Administrators to help guide them with compliance.

 

Will the KHSAA Title IX visits occur to review middle school facilities?

No. However, for any meetings conducted by the KHSAA related to Title IX or other resources, they will be shared with Middle School Administrators to help guide them with compliance.

 

Will the KHSAA notify the middle school administrators when they are holding a meeting concerning Title IX?

Yes. It will be communicated via the KHSAA website as well as shared with the Educational Cooperative Meetings.

 

Physical Exams/Insurance

Will middle school students be required to have a physical exam?

Yes. Each student at the middle school level, prior to trying for a place on a middle school athletic team, shall provide an annual medical examination performed and signed by a physician, physician assistant, advanced practice registered nurse, or chiropractor (if performed within the chiropractic professional’s scope of practice), for each student seeking eligibility to participate in any school sport or sport-activity.

 

When does the requirement of the physical exam have to be completed on the middle school form?

Beginning the first day of the 2014-15 year, physicals will be required to be conducted and completed using middle school form MS01.

 

Is there a specific middle school physical form?

Yes. KHSAA Form MS01 is posted on the KHSAA website. Local schools/districts/associations/groups of schools may supplement that form with additional material but must use the MS01 for the physical examination.

 

If a student plays middle school and high school athletics, are both middle school (Form MS01) physical form and the high school (Form GE04) required?

Yes. Both forms are needed since wording is different. The information on the physical part from doctor is the same, but the parent permission/information forms are different and always will be for legal reasons. This part would have to be filled out separately for a student who played both middle and high school athletics. You could attach one to the other (if middle school form is completed, one could attach the doctor’s part of the middle school form to the high school form) as a grandfathered student, 7th or 8th grader, who plays up to the high school level.

 

Will the two forms eventually be combined for students that play both levels?

No. Information cannot be combined for regulatory and legal reasons. Parent permission information is completely different and entry portion (years in school, etc.) are not valid at middle school level.

 

Does this now require all students to get new physicals on the new form or when the physicals expire? Beginning the first day of the 2014-15 school year, no other form is valid. Beginning in 2014-15, physicals must be completed on Form MS01.

 

If we used the high school version of the physical part (doctor information), since we had been previously, could that be attached to the new form where the parent gives permission? No. MS01 is the only valid form for 2014-2015.

 

Does the 6th grade physical that is required suffice for the middle school athletics physical?

No. The 6th grade physical that is required in no way covers the same elements as an athletic physical. An entirely new physical form (MS01) would be required to be completed. It would be up to the approved individual that performed the physical if the requirements in MS01 required a new visit from the patient, or could be completed from existing patient records.

 

Are middle school participants required to have insurance up to any medical maximum?

No. There is no statewide middle school rule related to the dead period, and the implementation of such a restriction or requirement would be a local level decision.

 

Does the KHSAA Catastrophic Insurance policy apply to middle school students playing solely middle school athletics?

No. This plan is solely provided to the dues paying member high schools, and covers only the students enrolled in those member schools participating within the restrictions of the KHSAA Handbook.

 

Outside Entities

 

Are there requirements for groups that conduct events at the middle school level?

Yes. Any outside group/organization conducting a school based event at the middle school level is required to submit specific information. This would apply to any entity to which a school, school board, booster club or other related entity issued payment for participation. In addition, the requirement would be in place for any event or entity designating the event as middle school in its promotional or organizational material.

The following is to be published and listed on the KHSAA website:

a) Annual financial reports of all sanctioned and approved events sponsored by the organization

b) Documentation of financial accountability including verification of federal status and tax documents including an annual IRS Form 990