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Does anyone agree that it isn't really fair that the tournament MVP automatically comes from the championship team? Does this need to change? For example, the MVP in the 43rd District Tournament was Michael Talbott, the PG for Lexington Catholic, who had 14 against Dunbar and 16 against Lafayette. He had a good tournament, but it doesn't come close to Lafayette's Jackson Davis who had 28 & 12 against LCA and 32 & 31 against Lexington Catholic in a 2 OT loss. The MVP is not a team award. It is an individual award and when you don't give the MVP to the best player on the court, then "MVP" loses its meaning. How is the MVP selected anyway? Is it the prerogative of the winning coach? Is there a better way to select the MVP? Are there sufficient media covering district tournaments to have the media select the MVP? What about the tournament director or some other independent person or group of people? It just doesn't seem fair that a double-overtime loss in the championship game apparently eliminates a player from MVP consideration after the performance Jackson Davis just put up.

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Does anyone agree that it isn't really fair that the tournament MVP automatically comes from the championship team? Does this need to change? For example, the MVP in the 43rd District Tournament was Michael Talbott, the PG for Lexington Catholic, who had 14 against Dunbar and 16 against Lafayette. He had a good tournament, but it doesn't come close to Lafayette's Jackson Davis who had 28 & 12 against LCA and 32 & 31 against Lexington Catholic in a 2 OT loss. The MVP is not a team award. It is an individual award and when you don't give the MVP to the best player on the court, then "MVP" loses its meaning. How is the MVP selected anyway? Is it the prerogative of the winning coach? Is there a better way to select the MVP? Are there sufficient media covering district tournaments to have the media select the MVP? What about the tournament director or some other independent person or group of people? It just doesn't seem fair that a double-overtime loss in the championship game apparently eliminates a player from MVP consideration after the performance Jackson Davis just put up.

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Just for the tournament, I think the idea is that the team that won was the better team in the tournament, therefore they have the better players in the tournament, therefore the MVP comes from that team.

 

I don't know who selects the winners, I imagine it's the coaches.

 

I get your point. You can have a kid who clearly outplayed every other kid in the district, but because his team came up short, he does not get MVP.

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I agree with the premise of what Hoops said. As good as it sounds that Jackson Davis played, was he the most valuable? He certainly seems to be productive, but production numbers and value aren't always the same thing. Look at Anthony Davis a few years ago, win NP of the year, but didn't score the most points, or have the most rebounds, but was the most valuable player in the country. Same with Lebron in the nba, he never leads the league in scoring,assts, or Rebs, but has been a 4 time MVP....

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Some tournaments have went to the Tournament MVP from the winning team and another award the Most Outstanding Player Award which is normally the best player in the tournament period regardless of team.

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Jackson Davis should have won MVP on his performance last night alone. Take away half of those 31 boards and he still has a productive night but the game certainly doesn't go to overtime, let alone a second one.

 

With regards the media at the games, it really does vary. The three television stations in Lexington were in attendance but they rarely cover the whole game. There were two radio stations and a representative of the Herald-Leader in attendance along with three credentialed photographers but you can't really anticipate this type of media being at the games.

 

I agree with the poster that sometimes the best/most valuable player comes from a beaten team but how to get around the current selection process will be an issue.

 

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Some tournaments have went to the Tournament MVP from the winning team and another award the Most Outstanding Player Award which is normally the best player in the tournament period regardless of team.

 

I still think there's no doubt that Jackson Davis was the MVP because Lafayette doesn't come close to beating Catholic without him. Heck, they wouldn't even have beat LCA without Jackson Davis who took over the game in the 4th quarter. Simply, Catholic still had a decent chance to win without Talbott. Lafayette had no chance to win either game without Davis. So, yes, Davis was clearly the MVP. As for the solution, maybe MOP is the way to go. Have the winning coach select the MVP. Have the media select the MOP. Sometimes the same player would be the MVP and MOP, sometimes not.

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They should eliminate all of these awards, it is a team sport.

 

Good idea,,,,half of it is politics any way,,,,,,There was no way Davis was not the MYP of that tourney..

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Good idea,,,,half of it is politics any way,,,,,,There was no way Davis was not the MYP of that tourney..

 

I've been involved with national events (on behalf of National Organizations) who give out MVP, Outstanding Players, Outstanding Offensive Player, Outstanding Defensive Player, etc.

 

MVP is undoubtedly the murkiest award of them all because rarely does the presiding tournament committee (coaches or ADs in this case regarding district or regional awards?) quantify what criteria should be used to arrive at choosing a "MVP". And it IS murky and difficult to quantify - is the most valuable player in the district or region the guy who was most responsible for his team winning the tournament or is it the guy who had the most outstanding statistical tournament - or who "everybody knows" is the best player in the region (or perhaps even the state), but was not able on his own to make his team the winner?

 

On the other hand, some districts and regions have coaches' organizations and at the end of the season they all vote on such things, recognizing the Most Outstanding Player and other top players of the region for that season. Because . . . which players most deserve honors in a district or regional tournament may not be the same players who were the most outstanding throughout the season.

 

Bottom line is that you like to see deserving players receive honors for what they do, but often it doesn't work out where it satisfies everyone. And has been ably pointed out while the individual honors are good & in most cases deserving, they are given out because those individual players were key contributors to their team achieving success.

 

I most often find myself disturbed because some unsung hero of the team who wins the regional championship is overlooked because he didn't have an outstanding season, but he stepped up and made a substantial difference in the region - however, he got short-changed because some player who had averaged XX ppg for a team (during the regular season) that got beat in the first round of the region received an All-Regional Award in his place.

 

I seriously doubt if we'll ever figure out to make all of us happy, but I am most definitely in favor of recognizing those who excel IN THE REGION by being substantial contributors to their team advancing as far as possible with All-Regional Awards and those who excel during the regular season (and not always in the regional tournament) be recognized by the coaches at the end of the season for those achievements.

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38th district gave all-tournament and MVP awards. The two radio crews and 2 game staff voted on the spots. With every player on both boys and girls, it was a unanimous vote.

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