January 22, 201412 yr I know a priest having sex with 3 nuns, knocking up one of them, will get the lot excommunicated and the church closed.
January 22, 201412 yr Are you sure the bold leads to excommunication? You are dead on with the part of those who procure or facilitate abortions but while fighting to legalize or keep abortion legal is sinful, I didn't think the legal/political side led to excommunication. I say that because my state representative (Tom Burch) is probably the strongest proponent in the General Assembly to prevent any legal restrictions on abortion in KY. Unfortunately, Burch attends St. Bernard. The former pastor was Fr. Anthony Chandler. If Burch was Latae excommunicated and still was taking communion, Fr. Chandler would seem like the type of priest who would call him aside and remind him not to take communion and to the best of my knowledge, that never happened. Mea culpa....I stand (somewhat) corrected. I just went back and reviewed that portion of Canon Law. Politicians are not subject to Latae excommunication under the canons regarding murder and abortion (Can. 1397 & Can. 1398, "Delicts Against Human Life And Freedom"). These canons only apply to the individual seeking out the abortion and the individuals directly conducting the act of abortion, which is seen as murder in the eyes of the Catholic Church. Instead, politicians who repeatedly support the legalization of abortion are subject to Latae excommunication on the grounds of being in heresy, which is defined as "a baptized member of the Roman Catholic Church speaking in denial of the revealed truth of Christ or church dogma". Put simply, it is the rejection of a doctrine considered essential to the Catholic Church. This falls under Can. 1364 §1, "Delicts Against Religion And The Unity Of The Church".
January 22, 201412 yr Our new liberal pope, Francis, just handed Raymond Burke his walking papers. That in itself is highly significant as to where this debate is headed, and it isn't good news for the conservative wing of the church in the United States. Our new "liberal" pope also excommunicated a priest in Australia about 4 months ago for endorsing same-sex marriage.
January 22, 201412 yr Mea culpa....I stand (somewhat) corrected. I just went back and reviewed that portion of Canon Law. Politicians are not subject to Latae excommunication under the canons regarding murder and abortion (Can. 1397 & Can. 1398, "Delicts Against Human Life And Freedom"). These canons only apply to the individual seeking out the abortion and the individuals directly conducting the act of abortion, which is seen as murder in the eyes of the Catholic Church. Instead, politicians who repeatedly support the legalization of abortion are subject to Latae excommunication on the grounds of being in heresy, which is defined as "a baptized member of the Roman Catholic Church speaking in denial of the revealed truth of Christ or church dogma". Put simply, it is the rejection of a doctrine considered essential to the Catholic Church. This falls under Can. 1364 §1, "Delicts Against Religion And The Unity Of The Church". If I'm reading your latest reply correctly, then Biden, Pelosi et al. are subject to discipline by an ecclesiastical council ... correct?
January 22, 201412 yr I know a priest having sex with 3 nuns, knocking up one of them, will get the lot excommunicated and the church closed. I wouldn't doubt that breaking a Sacramental vow of celibacy and having sex with another consecrated person who has taken a vow of chastity is grounds for excommunication....although I'm not positive if it's a Latae or Ferendae Sententiae excommunication. I would guess it would be the latter. Regardless, I would have to assume that the church closing was not a "punshiment" by the Catholic Church. I would assume it was more likely an unfortunate result of not having any religious to run the church.
January 22, 201412 yr If I'm reading your latest reply correctly, then Biden, Pelosi et al. are subject to discipline by an ecclesiastical council ... correct? No. Heresy is also grounds for Latae excommunication, as I stated in post #21. No ecclesiastical council for Latae....it's only for Ferendae Sententiae excommunication.
January 22, 201412 yr No. Heresy is also grounds for Latae excommunication, as I stated in post #21. No ecclesiastical council for Latae....it's only for Ferendae Sententiae excommunication. Hauling Biden/Pelosi/Cuomo before a church inquisition would be high drama -- not quite like Luther at the Diet of Worms in 1521 -- but still entertaining. Perhaps the U.S. bishops could petition Raymond Burke to bend the rules a little to permit such.
January 22, 201412 yr Instead, politicians who repeatedly support the legalization of abortion are subject to Latae excommunication on the grounds of being in heresy, which is defined as "a baptized member of the Roman Catholic Church speaking in denial of the revealed truth of Christ or church dogma". Put simply, it is the rejection of a doctrine considered essential to the Catholic Church. This falls under Can. 1364 §1, "Delicts Against Religion And The Unity Of The Church". I think where the Biden's and company get by is they continually say they are against someone having an abortion, just do not feel in a free society they have the right to take that right away from a woman. So they are somewhat not preaching heresy since they agree with the church's view of abortion's sinfulness, they are just against taking the right away. I guess you could relate this to adultery. Many people agree adultery is wrong but not many feel adulterers should be locked up in prison. Splitting hairs here but you probably see where I am going.
January 22, 201412 yr I know a priest having sex with 3 nuns, knocking up one of them, will get the lot excommunicated and the church closed. Did this happen in Florida? I could see the priest being defrocked but wouldn't think breaking one's vow of celibacy would bring about excommunication.
January 23, 201412 yr Did this happen in Florida? I could see the priest being defrocked but wouldn't think breaking one's vow of celibacy would bring about excommunication. No, Kentucky, and there may have been other incidents that lead to the excommunication. The ones I describe are the ones I remember. My parish, when I was in my early teens.
January 23, 201412 yr No, Kentucky, and there may have been other incidents that lead to the excommunication. The ones I describe are the ones I remember. My parish, when I was in my early teens. Sad to hear.
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