From another thread.

Some one asked what offsides in soccer was:

 

An offensive player cannot be behind(ie closer to the goal) the last defender AT THE TIME the ball is kicked to them.

What is the thought process for that rule, seems as if it impedes scoring quite a bit? Does Hockey have a rule like this too? Why?

 

Can you imagine if Basketball had the same rule?

From another thread.

Some one asked what offsides in soccer was:

 

 

What is the thought process for that rule, seems as if it impedes scoring quite a bit? Does Hockey have a rule like this too? Why?

 

Can you imagine if Basketball had the same rule?

 

Hockey also has an offsides call but it's an actual line that cannot be crossed before the puck does vs the location of a defender.

Hockey also has an offsides call but it's an actual line that cannot be crossed before the puck does vs the location of a defender.

I thought it was a line, that rule doesn't make sense either. Why should the offense have to slow down to let the D catch up?

I thought it was a line, that rule doesn't make sense either. Why should the offense have to slow down to let the D catch up?

 

They don't have to slow down if the puck is with them.

Who would like to see a team play a basketball game with a player "offsides" on every trip down the floor.......just leave 1 player back under your own basket and play 4 guys or gals on defense?

From another thread.

Some one asked what offsides in soccer was:

 

 

What is the thought process for that rule, seems as if it impedes scoring quite a bit? Does Hockey have a rule like this too? Why?

 

It prevents goalhanging: an offensive player or two just standing near the goal. That in turn would force defenders to hang back and guard them. Eliminates the game in the midfield. Just turns it into long passes back and forth hoping someone scores. Basically three people to a team: a goalie, a passer and a shooter. That would be about it.

 

Offsides actually opens up the game and gives it the flow that makes it enjoyable.

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Also, since you were the one that brought up basketball, that game doesn't need an offside rule to prevent goalcamping. It already has both the three-second rule and the over-and-back rule to limit the areas in which an offense can operate and force movement.

Also, since you were the one that brought up basketball, that game doesn't need an offside rule to prevent goalcamping. It already has both the three-second rule and the over-and-back rule to limit the areas in which an offense can operate and force movement.

 

True but a defender could stay back on the offensive end and wait just out side of the lane and let his team play D 4 on 5, no rule against that...team gets a rebound could shoot a long pass to him for an easy one. But no coach is going to give up a defender so it never happens.

I thought it was a line, that rule doesn't make sense either. Why should the offense have to slow down to let the D catch up?

 

Hockey still has breakaways all the time. Hockey's rule doesn't prevent long passes, as the puck can be dumped in and the offense can catch up to it, and it has nothing to do with a player being between the defender and the goal.

 

I fully admit I don't completely understand offsides in soccer. It seems to me that you are penalized for beating or being faster than your defender.

True but a defender could stay back on the offensive end and wait just out side of the lane and let his team play D 4 on 5, no rule against that...team gets a rebound could shoot a long pass to him for an easy one. But no coach is going to give up a defender so it never happens.

 

It's more difficult to score in soccer; simply the nature of the game. You could sacrifice an extra player on the defensive end and permanently move him up into the far side of the field without losing as much defensively as if you removed a basketball player from the defensive end. But then that would be a lone striker up near the goal, who would have to be marked, so you'd be forced to hold back one of your own defensive players to guard the counter attack.

 

That practice used to exist in one of the old forms of the game (rules in which there was no offside rule) where there were one or two players called "kick throughs" that were permanently stationed near the opposing goal.

 

The rule has been tweaked numerous times, most recently in 1990, when the rule was amended from having to be behind at least two defenders to having to be no further than even with the second-to-last defender. That rule change has made things more interesting.

 

I'm not against further tweaking but I would be against abolition. The old NASL in the US for a while used a modified rule in which there was no offside call beyond a certain point on the field. I've never seen any old games with that rule but I'd be curious.

I fully admit I don't completely understand offsides in soccer. It seems to me that you are penalized for beating or being faster than your defender.

 

It's about what happens if the rule goes away. Right now, all we see when offsides is called is a player lose out on a scoring chance by being two feet ahead of the line of defense. What happens without the rule is likely several players positioning themselves as close as they can to the opposing goal and wait for a counter. The game likely devolves into a series of long bomb passes up and down the field with the result that very little actually happens. It seems pretty dull.

Who would like to see a team play a basketball game with a player "offsides" on every trip down the floor.......just leave 1 player back under your own basket and play 4 guys or gals on defense?

 

In soccer, we used to call that "cherry picking".

It's about what happens if the rule goes away. Right now, all we see when offsides is called is a player lose out on a scoring chance by being two feet ahead of the line of defense. What happens without the rule is likely several players positioning themselves as close as they can to the opposing goal and wait for a counter. The game likely devolves into a series of long bomb passes up and down the field with the result that very little actually happens. It seems pretty dull.

 

I'm still not sure I understand. I'm not trying to be funny, but even with the rule, the game still seems dull with very little happening.

I'm still not sure I understand. I'm not trying to be funny, but even with the rule, the game still seems dull with very little happening.

 

First things first. Paraphrase: An attacking player is guilty of being offside if he is nearer to the opponent's goal line than the 2nd last defender and the ball after they receive the ball that was last played or touched by a teammate.

 

There are other things involved but that is the base definition. Offside was developed to encourage attacking soccer that involved more passing and strategy rather than just booming the ball up field. The term derives from the idea that a player is "off their side" or "off their team" when they meet the requirements above, among others.

 

Offside position is determined at the moment the ball is last touched or played, after that all bets are off.

 

Trust me, if defenders could really use this to stop attackers that effectively things would change. As it stands it doesn't really help them that much.

True but a defender could stay back on the offensive end and wait just out side of the lane and let his team play D 4 on 5, no rule against that...team gets a rebound could shoot a long pass to him for an easy one. But no coach is going to give up a defender so it never happens.

 

For the record, the 3-second call does not start until the offense has the ball in their frontcourt. So the 5th defender could stand in the lane as long as he wants until his team gets the ball back to his side of the court.