Do the math. If you have 50 kids on a roster the study says 2 to 10 of them will suffer some type of head trauma. That should be enough to catch our attention. Why do we need to say 40 to 48 will not? The potential of 10 should be what we're focusing on.

 

I'm not saying that. We need to know how many have any type of head trauma, but we also need to know how many actually go through their years and never have.

 

I'm just one that likes to see/hear the whole picture and judge from that. What would it hurt to throw out that 40-48 won't have any kind of head trauma during their playing days?

For the record you can get head trauma sneezing.

I'm not saying that. We need to know how many have any type of head trauma, but we also need to know how many actually go through their years and never have.

 

I'm just one that likes to see/hear the whole picture and judge from that. What would it hurt to throw out that 40-48 won't have any kind of head trauma during their playing days?

 

Does it hurt anything? Obviously not. It's the wrong area to focus on though.

For the record you can get head trauma sneezing.

 

I was going to say something similar.

 

Football players may receive concussions etc. from playing the game, but you can be concussed doing just about anything. A friend of mine was telling me how his daughter had a concussion and they didn't know it for a couple days by getting hit in the face with a basketball. It wasn't a hard hit, the kid was only 8 years old and was tossed the ball and missed it with her hands and it hit her face.

 

Anyone who read my thread about ER rooms knows my boy got a concussion the other day when struck by a rock from 3 floors up, hit him right in the head. It's his 3rd he's had and out of the 3 only 1 was football related.

 

I guess my point is, yes football may contribute to head trauma with some players, but everything in life can contribute to head trauma. Think about all those kids when we were growing up playing dodge ball in gym actually had a degree of concussion but never knew it. They would just say they had a head ache.

 

Think about a catcher everytime he catches a foul ball off his mask, concussion. You ever hear about divers who dive off the 10 meter platform complain about headaches? I have, you know they have been concussed.

 

I guess my point is, it happens a lot more than people want to let on about, in a lot more sports. Football just seems to be the easy one to point to when tossing blame.

I think Football is the greatest game every invented. I played into College and my son played from the time he was 7 until he graduated from HS. If I had another son or if I have grand children I would love for them to play football. I think that proper coaching, along with proper equipment and proper training/conditioning can significantly reduce the risk of serious head injuries.

 

I am a bit skeptical about all of the "research" that now points to Head trauma sports injuries as the cause of other issues later in life. There is very little money made for researchers who cannot tie their findings to a cause of some type.

 

My father experienced Dimentia the last year or so of his life. They told us he did not have Alzheimer's disease. At that time the Dr's told us that cases of Dimentia had increased 10 to 20 fold over the past 20 years. They told us there were as many as 20 different potential causes of the increase ( more awareness, people living longer, Chemicals in our food, C-sections etc.) They also told us that about 75% of the research funding was being targeted/marketed at Alzheimers Disease. The reason was that by finding a villain they are able to acquire backing both financially and politically.

 

I am not sure that Head Trauma is not being named a villain in this case.

 

Now having said all of that, if my son, grand son etc. were to experience head trauma either on or off the football field I would be cautious to a fault before ever allowing him to return to the field.

 

I think that the points about College and Pro Football (as much as I love watching) are valid. The pounding taken by adults over a 4 year (college), or longer ( pro) career seem to have a true cause and effect relationship to certain types of diseases experienced later in life. The problem is that the sample size of ex-nfl and ex-college football players probably isn't great enough to garner the money needed to do the research necessary. To get that money the pool of potential victims have now been broadened to include both HS and Youth football.

 

To summarize I am not saying their shouldn't been a concern about Head trauma injuries in football, hockey, bball etc. What I am saying is that the pendulum always swings to far. Right now its to the point that they are so overly aware of it that it has become the Villain, to the extent it does not warrent.

What I am saying is that the pendulum always swings to far.

 

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4 to 20% is not an "isolated incident."

 

My problem is that everybody wants to point a finger. Everybody wants to point a finger at something. They want to find a cause when in all actuality there are many causes. Just like the heat issues. Everyone has had underlying medication/ supplement issues. No no one knows how a concussion will effect you later in life. I've had 4 documented ones. We also don't know what drinking diet Pepsi will do to some of us either. We don't know what all the chemicals in fast food will do to us either but does anyone worry about that stuff? No there's no money in it. It's a hot button issue because of money. There are things much more dangerous than football out there that people do everyday.

Lets be honest, there just isnt that many head injuries in high school football and below. Sure, just on numbers alone it may seem like it, but you have to look at how many kids play football. The simple fact is, numbers can be used to reflect any side of the arguement you want. Lets not overlook the numbers that show there are more head related injuries in youth soccer than football. No one wants to talk about that. The problem is, parents see all the head related issues on espn and think it translates to the youth game. The game is just not as voilent at the high school level and below. Ncc is a prime example, 80 kids in the high school soccer program in 2012, only 60 for football.

Pro football is a different beast entirely.

Football is the greatest game in the world... But it's important to remember that it is just a game.

 

Head injuries can occur in any sport, we all agree with that, but in football there are constant head collisions. Returning from head injuries is what concerns me most, because the only person who truly knows when they are fully recovered is the kid. There's no competitor in the world that doesn't want to play every week and with the building pressure surrounding football today with media, social networking and even innocent bulletins like this site, it is very tempting and easy for a kid to return too early from a head injury, which is where my real concern lies.

Lets be honest, there just isnt that many head injuries in high school football and below. Sure, just on numbers alone it may seem like it, but you have to look at how many kids play football. The simple fact is, numbers can be used to reflect any side of the arguement you want. Lets not overlook the numbers that show there are more head related injuries in youth soccer than football. No one wants to talk about that. The problem is, parents see all the head related issues on espn and think it translates to the youth game. The game is just not as voilent at the high school level and below. Ncc is a prime example, 80 kids in the high school soccer program in 2012, only 60 for football.

Pro football is a different beast entirely.

 

I disagree completely. While I think that the NFL pouring money into this is a thinly veiled attempt to deflect attention from their own poor record of dealing with concussions in the past to say that it is not an issue in sports at the HS level or below is misguided at best and naive at worst.

Guess i should started that with...not that many when you look at the number of kids playing. And like i said, numbers lie.

I guess my point is, it happens a lot more than people want to let on about, in a lot more sports. Football just seems to be the easy one to point to when tossing blame.

 

3 sports with the most concussions are football, basketball, and soccer.

 

Football produces the most per athlete (.47 per 1,000) and girls soccer is next at .36 per 1000.

Lets be honest, there just isnt that many head injuries in high school football and below. Sure, just on numbers alone it may seem like it, but you have to look at how many kids play football. The simple fact is, numbers can be used to reflect any side of the arguement you want. Lets not overlook the numbers that show there are more head related injuries in youth soccer than football. .

 

You're going to need to cite the study that backs that up.

 

It is true that girls soccer has a higher rate than boys soccer at the same age but all reports seem to indicate that the most head injuries for youths occur in football.

3 sports with the most concussions are football, basketball, and soccer.

 

Football produces the most per athlete (.47 per 1,000) and girls soccer is next at .36 per 1000.

I forgot all about soccer, which I played the most out of any sports growing up in the 70's and 80's.

 

All the "headers" had to have an affect and may explain the way I am today :idunno:

 

Seriously I wonder about that now, for anyone who ever played soccer you know if you perform a "header" the wrong way it leaves you with a massive headache, I bet those were grades of concussions that we didn't even think about at the time.

It never ceases to amaze me how everyone talks of restricting contact, better equipment, buy expensive helmets.

 

All the new "safety" precautions are great, but in many cases are killing the game that we love.

 

Address the real problem and train the athletes for the violent game of football.

Put the game=boys down, get off the couch and put some work in.

 

Train the neck, upper back and build a solid core strength so the athlete will be able to sustain the violent impact of a collision without his brain bouncing around like a pinball.

 

Most training programs that I have seen do not put enough emphasis on developing a big thick neck to protect the kids.

 

Let's play some Rugby.

 

I'll start by saying I don't totally disagree with you. Football is violent, and the better shape you are in, the lower your injury risk. However, NFL players are some of the best conditioned people in the world, and they still suffer from concussions. Many concussions are from accidental head to head contact, or the worst concussions I've seen are from knee to head contact. No amount of conditioning can prepare you for that type of concussion. I think we should always be looking to improve equipment and taking a look at things to improve the safety of the game.