What are the parents teaching the kid by still allowing him to play?

I agree, parents are not making a great decision either.

TOG, put the rule book down and read what the point of this thread is.

 

Is it the coaches job to be making the moral choice, if the rule allows him to do otherwise?

 

Now plantmanky hit the nail right smack dab on the head! Outstanding!

 

If it were my child, he wouldn't be playing, even if the coach played by the rules. I would tell my child that it doesn't matter what Coach did, what the OHSAA rule allowed but my child would not be playing period!

 

Was waiting for someone to put this whole affair into perspective as to who had the moral obligation to the kid!

 

I the parent, have the moral obligation to do what is best for my child and what would be best for my child would be that he doesn't play.

 

I don't except the coach to be me "The Parent", I don't except the School to be me "The Parent" and I don't except the OHSAA to be me "The Parnet" but I as the Parent should do what is best to make my child a better person!

So in your world a coach has no moral obligation to do what is right regardless of what the rules say?

So in your world a coach has no moral obligation to do what is right regardless of what the rules say?

 

Coach has a right to do what is best for his team with in the rules. He did that, whether we agree with it or not, that's what he did.

 

Shouldn't the "moral Obligation" to do what is right start at home, with the parents, who could have easily sad, son your not playing regardless.

 

Why do you and everyone else want other people to raise your kids and teach them right and wrong?

Coach has a right to do what is best for his team with in the rules. He did that, whether we agree with it or not, that's what he did.

 

Shouldn't the "moral Obligation" to do what is right start at home, with the parents, who could have easily sad, son your not playing regardless.

 

Why do you and everyone else want other people to raise your kids and teach them right and wrong?

No one said that. The thread question simply "was the coach teaching the right life lesson?". Of course parents should shoulder the responsibility of raising our kids. But kids do pick up life lessons from everyone they are around and I would hope that if I entrusted my son or daughter to a coach that the coach would set a good example on the field and off of it.

If we are going to suspend all the kids using foul language on the fields of play then do it. But don't do it in the heat of a critical game with unbelievable consequences if your not going to do it the rest of the season. I am always on the sidelines and I hear a whole lot of bad language in all of the sports. Umps, refs and coaches tend to handle it with a stern stare or a private comment to the athlete.

 

Is the Coach Teaching the Right Life Lessons?

So do two wrongs make a right, who cares. If we depend on coaches to teach life lessons then we are all in trouble. It is not their job.

No one said that. The thread question simply "was the coach teaching the right life lesson?". Of course parents should shoulder the responsibility of raising our kids. But kids do pick up life lessons from everyone they are around and I would hope that if I entrusted my son or daughter to a coach that the coach would set a good example on the field and off of it.

I hear ya! I can't understand why we are talking about other stuff. Simple question = simple answer as it relates to the question asked.

 

I am sure the OHSAA rule on this was not put in so if a player is suspended that they can hurry up and schedule more games before the game that counts comes up. PLUS, it's a private school, which I would think teaches morals more than public schools.

 

Also, as I have said before, we were not there, so far there is no video of the event, we don't know what the actions of the kid was on this play, unless there is evidence to say otherwise, the ump was correct in his call. BUT, It was wrong of parents coming down and cussing at the ump, it just showed they cared about one thing.

If we are going to suspend all the kids using foul language on the fields of play then do it. But don't do it in the heat of a critical game with unbelievable consequences if your not going to do it the rest of the season. I am always on the sidelines and I hear a whole lot of bad language in all of the sports. Umps, refs and coaches tend to handle it with a stern stare or a private comment to the athlete.

 

Is the Coach Teaching the Right Life Lessons?

So do two wrongs make a right, who cares. If we depend on coaches to teach life lessons then we are all in trouble. It is not their job.

 

Couldn't agree more.

Strange to me at least as to why didn't the tread state: Are the Parents teaching the right life lesson!

 

As it is ultimately the parents who should be making this decision to play or not to play.

 

So I can assume that all of you who want to crucify the coach for taking what is available to him for the sake of the team, would have like me told the child, it doesn't matter, you are sitting or do you crumble and tell the kid to go and play as, I don't want to make anybody mad at me for you not playing.

Before we crucify the coach for not teaching life lessons why don't we look into the fact that the OHSAA allows teams to play games in between tournament contests. It is my understanding that they play most tournament game in Ohio on the weekends due to travel and distance. Lets look at how many teams besides Badin have played a mid week game or two to stay sharp. I think it may be more commonplace than everyone wants to believe. I mean why did Moeller who was still in tournament play at the time agree to play them? Have they done this in past years? Can someone tell me if any other Southeastern Ohio team besides the Badin Bacon or Moeller has played mid week games this year while they were waiting to play again on the weekend?

 

If anyone knows more about Ohio HS baseball please chime in here.

None of your arguments about it ultimately changes my mind that the coach is a skid mark and that he played the rules to his advantage. There's a big difference between legal and ethical and I expect a coach to be ethical. The lesson that he taught the kid was that breaking rules may have consequences but if you can legally do something to mitigate them then do it.

I wonder how many on here look for loop holes so they don't have to pay higher taxes.

I do.

I'm not talking about illegal activity, I am talking about loop holes.

The coach found a loop hole and took advantage of the opportunity. The kid sat out two games. Why does anyone care which two games it was?

Really no harm and no foul imo.

 

The umpire enforced the rules and his call was never overturned. I highly doubt that the umpire knew or was thinking "hey if I throw this kid out of the game then he will have to sit out for the State Tourney". IMO the umpire really could care less what the implications were going to be.

 

The coach did absolutely nothing wrong according to the rules and even though we all know what he did by scheduling the two games to get his Sr back then all I can say is smart guy. The rules were not broken here and as far as I am concerned whats the big deal? JMO

 

It isn't a big deal at all. The ump was right and the coach was definitely right.

Your telling me that a basketball coach who knew his player walked but the stripe didn't call it should call Time out and instruct the Ref to give the ball back to the other team because his player walked and the Ref missed the call? Wouldn't it be great if the coach spoke up to set a good example to his kids!

 

It would be a perfect world if everybody did what they are morally suppose to do but they don't and if you have ever played sport, I will bet you can tell me a time or two about a play that went your way that you didn't speak out to say to the official, sir I was out and you called me safe!

 

Exactly. Great example.

I agree with kyyank, no one questioned that he was breaking the rules really. Point of the thread was what are you teaching kids by so obviously circumventing the spirit of the disqualification rule?

 

Who cares about the spirit of the rule? He didn't break a rule and frankly I applaud him for thunking on his feet and doing what he can legally do to have his team at full strength for the tournament. I also applaud him for not overscheduling his team and allowing some wiggle room to even be able to schedule two extra games at the last minute. I think the better question is how in the hell are regular season games being played in between tournament games. That is nuts.