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It's like an episode of Scandal.

Truthfully it doesn't bother me all that much but I definitely understand the right to privacy and all that stuff. It would be nice if we truly had privacy but I have nothing to hide and if they want to listen to my boring phone calls then be my guest. Again, I am not for them monitoring our calls. I just don't care or have any passion one way or the other about them listening to our calls. I feel like they has been doing this for years/decades it's just more known now. Movies like Enemy of the State aren't just one person's imagination. That's one person's knowledge.

 

 

 

Great movie by the way.

Truthfully it doesn't bother me all that much but I definitely understand the right to privacy and all that stuff. It would be nice if we truly had privacy but I have nothing to hide and if they want to listen to my boring phone calls then be my guest. Again, I am not for them monitoring our calls. I just don't care or have any passion one way or the other about them listening to our calls. I feel like they has been doing this for years/decades it's just more known now. Movies like Enemy of the State aren't just one person's imagination. That's one person's knowledge.

 

 

 

Great movie by the way.

 

I can't get past the privacy issue. Im not doing anything wrong but it doesn't mean I want big brother listening. At least when my parents listened in when I was a kid they had the excuse of footing the bill. I guess I need to go back to my youth and create a code. :jump:

Truthfully it doesn't bother me all that much but I definitely understand the right to privacy and all that stuff. It would be nice if we truly had privacy but I have nothing to hide and if they want to listen to my boring phone calls then be my guest. Again, I am not for them monitoring our calls. I just don't care or have any passion one way or the other about them listening to our calls. I feel like they has been doing this for years/decades it's just more known now. Movies like Enemy of the State aren't just one person's imagination. That's one person's knowledge.

 

 

 

Great movie by the way.

 

I doubt any of us are hiding anything relative to terrorism, which I presume is the basis of this. But, my perspective is that these restrictions on the government exist for a reason. It isn't to make it more difficult to catch bad guys or prevent attacks, but it is to make it more difficult to control its citizens lives. So, if we can justify that the government can surveil its citizens under the premise of stopping terrorism, then that means the government can surveil its citizens. And if that's the case then what's to stop it from checking in on you for something else?

 

For instance, if we accept that the government doesn't need a warrant to intercept information going between cell towers (and this was a Supreme Court discussion recently and largely the basis of this NSA policy and the Patriot Act), then is there anything to stop the government from collecting texts or calls that indicate you weren't forthright on your taxes, took drugs, have a prescription for painkillers, like to gamble? I think it's fair to say we've seen a lot of these excesses with regard to the War on Drugs, just on a more local level.

I didn't get why it was no big deal to people after 9.11 and I don't get why it's no big deal to people today.

I doubt any of us are hiding anything relative to terrorism, which I presume is the basis of this. But, my perspective is that these restrictions on the government exist for a reason. It isn't to make it more difficult to catch bad guys or prevent attacks, but it is to make it more difficult to control its citizens lives. So, if we can justify that the government can surveil its citizens under the premise of stopping terrorism, then that means the government can surveil its citizens. And if that's the case then what's to stop it from checking in on you for something else?

 

For instance, if we accept that the government doesn't need a warrant to intercept information going between cell towers (and this was a Supreme Court discussion recently and largely the basis of this NSA policy and the Patriot Act), then is there anything to stop the government from collecting texts or calls that indicate you weren't forthright on your taxes, took drugs, have a prescription for painkillers, like to gamble? I think it's fair to say we've seen a lot of these excesses with regard to the War on Drugs, just on a more local level.

 

 

I see your point and it makes sense. If we allow them the latitude to listen to our calls then we would be opening a pamdora's box as to what they can and can't go after. I do get that. The other part of me has always figured they'd do that anyways.

 

I doubt any of us are hiding anything relative to terrorism, which I presume is the basis of this. But, my perspective is that these restrictions on the government exist for a reason. It isn't to make it more difficult to catch bad guys or prevent attacks, but it is to make it more difficult to control its citizens lives. So, if we can justify that the government can surveil its citizens under the premise of stopping terrorism, then that means the government can surveil its citizens. And if that's the case then what's to stop it from checking in on you for something else?

 

For instance, if we accept that the government doesn't need a warrant to intercept information going between cell towers (and this was a Supreme Court discussion recently and largely the basis of this NSA policy and the Patriot Act), then is there anything to stop the government from collecting texts or calls that indicate you weren't forthright on your taxes, took drugs, have a prescription for painkillers, like to gamble? I think it's fair to say we've seen a lot of these excesses with regard to the War on Drugs, just on a more local level.

 

My thoughts exactly, though I'd like to add any fan of The Wire worth their salt knows you don't talk business over the phone!

This is important too. With this call data they can get a pretty accurate position on your location and movements throughout the day. I imagine that can be reversed to determine who was a given location at a given time, as well.

 

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Here are the Senate votes on the FISA Sunsets Extension Act of 2011 and the FISA Amendments Act Reauthorization Act of 2012. Those voting nay should be rewarded with more credibility.

Here are the Senate votes on the FISA Sunsets Extension Act of 2011 and the FISA Amendments Act Reauthorization Act of 2012. Those voting nay should be rewarded with more credibility.

 

I think it's safe to say the GOP has lost it's credibility as a party for a "smaller government".

Sweet. So Big Brother is probably saving all the phone numbers I call. I wonder if they can give me my contacts after I wash my phone in the laundry.

 

Really, I am shocked and yet I am not shocked. Seems like areas of our life that most would consider private is becoming less and less private everyday.

I didn't get why it was no big deal to people after 9.11 and I don't get why it's no big deal to people today.

 

Me too. The absolute willingness of our nation to hand over control to the government is mind boggling.

The govt said this morning that they have not listened to any calls. They are tracking which numbers were called by suspected terrorists.

The govt said this morning that they have not listened to any calls. They are tracking which numbers were called by suspected terrorists.

Do you actually believe what the government says ??