In other words you think Wallace is uninformed/ignorant on this issue?

To be fair to Wallace, he said he couldn't understand why someone would be gay when there are so many fine honeys. Or something to that effect. I'm not sure where he's uninformed or ignorant. Was it ill-timed and poor taste? Probably, coming from another professional athlete.

Not a conclusion but rather a question for Clyde. I am trying to understand Clyde's thinking because if I can understand that, then maybe I can understand Wallace's comment in some other way than either homophobic and/or derogatory in nature.

 

I think you're letting your dislike for Wallace cloud your judgement. He wasn't being derogatory in the slightest.

Not a conclusion but rather a question for Clyde. I am trying to understand Clyde's thinking because if I can understand that, then maybe I can understand Wallace's comment in some other way than either homophobic and/or derogatory in nature.

 

Can you understand how a man can be sexually attracted to another man?

I told my son he has the right and freedom to say anything he wants but also told him about proper time and place an potential consequences. Too bad some adults don't get it.

I think you're letting your dislike for Wallace cloud your judgement. He wasn't being derogatory in the slightest.

 

Dislike??? I have been talking about the Bengals signing him for over a year.

Can you understand how a man can be sexually attracted to another man?

 

Like you, I do not think sexual orientation is a choice and I certainly understand how I am attracted to a woman. With those two thoughts in mind yes I can understand how a man would be attracted to another man.

Like you, I do not think sexual orientation is a choice and I certainly understand how I am attracted to a woman. With those two thoughts in mind yes I can understand how a man would be attracted to another man.

 

I don't see how you can "understand" it when it seems so foreign to you. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen naturally for some. That's all I read into this statement.

 

If you asked me "do you understand how a man can be attracted to a man" I'd have no other answer than "no." My gay buddy would say the same if the question was reversed.

I don't see how you can "understand" it when it seems so foreign to you. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen naturally for some. That's all I read into this statement.

 

If you asked me "do you understand how a man can be attracted to a man" I'd have no other answer than "no." My gay buddy would say the same if the question was reversed.

 

I believe I can understand.

 

I think this just brings us back to the title of the thread, Wallace isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Deuce, if you do not think it is genetic, do you think it is a choice?

 

In some cases, yes, I do think it is a choice. I've known two women that have openly told me that because of their luck (or lack there of) with men, certain negative situations they were in, they decided to explore with women. They are both now openly gay.

 

Other cases, I don't necessarily think it's a choice. At the same time, if it were genetic, I feel like you should be able to link some DNA traits that are common amongst homosexuals. Maybe there hasn't been a demand for that kind of research, which is why that link hasn't been made.

 

Not to mention, if it were genetic, I think in the case of Jason Collins having a twin, I feel like it would be likely his brother would also be gay. I'm not saying he'd HAVE to be for it to be genetic, but the chances would be greater, IMO.

In some cases, yes, I do think it is a choice. I've known two women that have openly told me that because of their luck (or lack there of) with men, certain negative situations they were in, they decided to explore with women. They are both now openly gay.

 

I have heard women say these kinds of things, I have never ever ever heard a man say anything even close to this.

I have heard women say these kinds of things, I have never ever ever heard a man say anything even close to this.

 

Neither have I. I think it's safe to say that women are way more likely to go that route than men, based simply on their more emotional behaviors.

In some cases, yes, I do think it is a choice. I've known two women that have openly told me that because of their luck (or lack there of) with men, certain negative situations they were in, they decided to explore with women. They are both now openly gay.

 

Other cases, I don't necessarily think it's a choice. At the same time, if it were genetic, I feel like you should be able to link some DNA traits that are common amongst homosexuals. Maybe there hasn't been a demand for that kind of research, which is why that link hasn't been made.

 

Not to mention, if it were genetic, I think in the case of Jason Collins having a twin, I feel like it would be likely his brother would also be gay. I'm not saying he'd HAVE to be for it to be genetic, but the chances would be greater, IMO.

There has been research to try to find a marker common in homosexuals. Hasn't been found. You can google it and find a zillion theories, no hard evidence. I said the same thing in the Collins thread and people thought my head spun around. If he has an identical twin, and Jason has the DNA marker for "gay", then there is an extremely significant chance his brother has it. It's there for twins with Lupus, Hodgkins lymphoma, diabetes, and other issues. But they won't find it in the other Collins because they haven't found it ever. At least haven't identified it. I'll be the first to acknowledge it if hard science proves otherwise. Simply isn't there. Some argue that just because it hasn't been found doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Well, this unicorn still is undiscovered, ain't it?

I don't know of any man who chose to be gay. I do know of women who chose to be gay. I don't think anyone can choose to be gay.

 

I don't have a problem with Mike Wallace's statements. Overreaction on the Dolphins part but I understand why they did.

I don't know of any man who chose to be gay. I do know of women who chose to be gay. I don't think anyone can choose to be gay.

 

I don't have a problem with Mike Wallace's statements. Overreaction on the Dolphins part but I understand why they did.

So, it's genetic for men, but not for women?

So, it's genetic for men, but not for women?

 

 

No. I think it is genetic or something for both. There's something somewhere that determines it. I was just adding in to the folks that said they have heard women say that they chose to try women since men didn't work. You never do hear men say that. I still think there is something somewhere(the brain maybe) that causes same-sex attraction.