And I would tell you that all the tactics being used by the trial attorneys are just red herrings. The horror stories they tell are scare tactics to illicit support for their side. I have no issue at all with enforcing standards and holding bad nursing homes accountable, I do have a huge problem with fishing attorneys that have now made nursing homes their latest target to line their pockets. 2 words LOSER PAYS.

 

What happens if the loser is a poor family whose crippled matriarch has been abused in one of Kentucky's 40% of sub-par nursing homes, but can't afford an attorney to challenge the nursing home's hot-shot lawyer...especially when now they have to go through a sub-hearing phase, as required by SB 9?

Then surely some benevolent trial attorney would take a case like that pro-bono wouldn't they?

 

You see it as a problem on the provider side and I don't doubt that there are issues there but I see a huge problem on the attorney side of it as well. Fixing one without fixing the other will do nothing but make the John Edwards wannabes richer.

Then surely some benevolent trial attorney would take a case like that pro-bono wouldn't they?

 

Fewer and further between than anyone would imagine.

 

Fewer and further between than anyone would imagine.

 

Why should they? As it stands right now there is no need to bhecause they can get millions working on contingency. That's why thye system needs to change.

 

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Why should they? As it stands right now there is no need to bhecause they can get millions working on contingency. That's why thye system needs to change.

 

So again, that poor family with no resources is left up a creek, and the nursing home is NOT called to the carpet.

The lawyers created the system where unchecked greed has eliminated any need for them to give back. Blame them. If public defenders are good enough for criminal trials then surely they are good enough for civil cases as well. Or maybe we could go to a nationalized legal system where all attorneys are paid on a government controlled scale and everyone has access to the system?

The lawyers created the system where unchecked greed has eliminated any need for them to give back. Blame them. If public defenders are good enough for criminal trials then surely they are good enough for civil cases as well. Or maybe we could go to a nationalized legal system where all attorneys are paid on a government controlled scale and everyone has access to the system?

 

I'm don't want a person to place blame on. I want a solution. This legislation is not a solution.

If public defenders are good enough for criminal trials then surely they are good enough for civil cases as well.

 

If brain surgeons are good enough for brain surgery then surely you'd let them perform your open heart surgery, right?

 

All Tell, your problem seems to lie with the attorneys that represent the injured victims. Do you feel that the nursing home should be held accountable for its failure to provide adequate care?

What happens if the loser is a poor family whose crippled matriarch has been abused in one of Kentucky's 40% of sub-par nursing homes, but can't afford an attorney to challenge the nursing home's hot-shot lawyer...especially when now they have to go through a sub-hearing phase, as required by SB 9?

I agree completely.*

 

 

*Except for using the "C-word." Hint: It's our version of the "N-word."

I agree completely.*

 

 

*Except for using the "C-word." Hint: It's our version of the "N-word."

 

:thumb: Note taken.

I know a little about nursing home care. My grandmother was in a nursing home for 15 years, and my uncle for over 30. Both were in one home, but abuse drove my dad to find another home for them, which he did with some success. Although better, the care was less than ideal, but not life-threatening as in the first. Recently, when my father left the hospital, he was admitted to a nursing home as he couldn't return home because of the level of care he needed. Although he only was there about 15 days before he died, I can honestly say that the level of care he recieved was extraordinary, when compared with other homes that we were given as an option. From day one, he was treated with the utmost respect and they helped him maintain his dignity throughout some very "undignified" days. Their concern for not only his physical care, but his emotional needs blew me away. The home is run by the Presbyterian USA, and I highly recommend their facilities, if the opportunity is available to someone in need of such care. The counselor there even attended my dad's funeral, and provided my mother with a beautiful keepsake Bible dedicated to my father. My uncle (my dad's brother), died about a month after my dad. No one from the home came, nor have they called or reached out to the family. And he lived there for almost 25 years.

 

In the end, it's a scary proposition to try and choose a nursing home in Kentucky. This legislation is bull hockey.

If brain surgeons are good enough for brain surgery then surely you'd let them perform your open heart surgery, right?

 

All Tell, your problem seems to lie with the attorneys that represent the injured victims. Do you feel that the nursing home should be held accountable for its failure to provide adequate care?

 

If public defense attorneys are good enough for poor people in capital criminal cases then why not for civil cases?

 

You're right about 1 thing I do blame attorneys for a whole lot of problems and no I don't think that substandard care facilities should get a pass but I do believe that trial attorneys are the cause of a whole lot of the problems currently in the medical delivery system including the high cost.

Here's a rather lengthy (but interesting) article on Wisconsin's nursing homes which have failed to report injuries and deaths.

 

Wisconsin nursing homes fail to report deaths, injuries | WisconsinWatch.org

 

I'd love to hear some thoughts from those that think we should just trust nursing homes (i.e. big business) to 'do the right thing.'

If public defense attorneys are good enough for poor people in capital criminal cases then why not for civil cases?

 

You're right about 1 thing I do blame attorneys for a whole lot of problems and no I don't think that substandard care facilities should get a pass but I do believe that trial attorneys are the cause of a whole lot of the problems currently in the medical delivery system including the high cost.

 

Just out of curiosity, what level of your blame for said problems are insurance companies responsible for?

Just out of curiosity, what level of your blame for said problems are insurance companies responsible for?

 

Some. I think the insurance industry has been perverted from what it was established to be mostly by the demands that everything be covered rather then just catastrophic issues.