January 24, 201313 yr The Value of Civilian Handgun Possession as a Deterrent to Crime or a Defense Against Crime n 1966 there were a series of brutal rapes in Orlando, Florida which panicked the women of the city into buying firearms for defense. Fearing a rash of accidental shootings, the local newspaper co-sponsored a firearms training class conducted by the police department; in the next few months some 6,000 [sic -- the actual number was about 3,000] women were trained in firearms safety and through the extensively publicized program. The results were remarkable.... [in 1967] Orlando was the only city in the U.S. of more than 100,000 population to show a decrease in crime.[133] Based on the FBI Uniform Crime Report for 1967, rape attacks in the city itself were reduced 88.2%, while aggravated assault and burglary declined by approximately 25%.[134] No explanation other than the firearms program credibly accounts for this phenomenon. The rest of the surrounding Standard Metropolitan Area experienced only an 8.7% decline in rape which may itself have represented a spill-over from the Orlando city program; rape actually increased by 5% in Florida overall that year and by 7% in the United States overall. Nor was the effect in Orlando limited to that year. Though rape gradually increased again after the program ended, five years later the rate was (p.154)still 13% below the pre-program level. In contrast, during that five year period the national rape rate increased 64% and the Florida rate increased 96.1%. Most significant of all at least in terms of displacement, over the same five year period, rape increased by 308% in the surrounding Standard Metropolitan Area.
January 24, 201313 yr The Value of Civilian Handgun Possession as a Deterrent to Crime or a Defense Against Crime You are wasting your time Marvel. Statistics show that increased gun ownership reduces violent crime. That can't be argued. People who are for gun control are not thinking logically. They are thinking with misinformed emotions.
January 24, 201313 yr You are wasting your time Marvel. Statistics show that increased gun ownership reduces violent crime. That can't be argued. People who are for gun control are not thinking logically. They are thinking with misinformed emotions. Not. Sent from my DROID RAZR using Forum Runner
January 24, 201313 yr You are wasting your time Marvel. Statistics show that increased gun ownership reduces violent crime. That can't be argued. People who are for gun control are not thinking logically. They are thinking with misinformed emotions. :thumb:
January 24, 201313 yr Not. Sent from my DROID RAZR using Forum Runner Then please find me one statistic that logically supports gun controll. Show me one in our nation where any form of gun control can be linked to reduced violent crime rates. I can show you multiple places where increased CCDW permits and increased gun ownership has been linked to drastically reduced violent crime rates. Gun control doesn't make sense and it is unconstitutional.
January 24, 201313 yr What does CCDW stand for? Concealed Carry Deadly Weapons. It is the license that many states allow civilians to obtain to legally carry a concealed weapon.
January 24, 201313 yr You agree with people being able to own a handgun with capped bullets. That isn't the second amendment. You missed the last part where it states 'the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.' You clearly support infringements. And apparently, the more bullets, the less violent-crime. Link FBI Stats Your logic doesn't match reality. A good numbers based read: Understanding the Numbers on Gun-Related Deaths | ArlingtonVoice.com Some highlights from link above: "The BRFSS estimated that 21.3 percent of Californians own guns. With a population of 37,253,956, this extrapolates to 7,935,093 gun owners in California. The BRFSS estimated that 35.9 percent of Texans own guns. With a population of 25,145,561, this extrapolates to 9,027,256 gun owners in Texas. Gun control advocates postulate that the accessibility of firearms leads to higher crime rates. With an estimated one million more guns in Texas, their gun-related homicide rate should be higher (even if nominally so). This is not the case; in 2010, California had 1,257 gun-related homicides, while Texas had just 805." "In the five states (Kansas, New Mexico, Ohio, Vermont, Wisconsin) that do not require a permit for purchase or carry, the rate is 0.0000259, the lowest of them all." "The one area that does seem to have a noticeable impact is a mandatory waiting period. " Given the recent situation in our own state and the analysis of the last item above maybe waiting periods are something to be looked at. I would not see a problem with waiting periods.
January 24, 201313 yr Then please find me one statistic that logically supports gun controll. Show me one in our nation where any form of gun control can be linked to reduced violent crime rates. I can show you multiple places where increased CCDW permits and increased gun ownership has been linked to drastically reduced violent crime rates. Gun control doesn't make sense and it is unconstitutional. Simply cannot be definitively proven that they deter crime. You think a criminal is deterred by a hypothetical? Sent from my DROID RAZR using Forum Runner
January 24, 201313 yr Simply cannot be definitively proven that they deter crime. You think a criminal is deterred by a hypothetical? Sent from my DROID RAZR using Forum Runner It is anything but a hypothetical. The statistics are clear. See last post.
January 24, 201313 yr Simply cannot be definitively proven that they deter crime. You think a criminal is deterred by a hypothetical? Sent from my DROID RAZR using Forum Runner If that premise is true, then it can't be proven that it does not.
January 24, 201313 yr A good numbers based read: Understanding the Numbers on Gun-Related Deaths | ArlingtonVoice.com Some highlights from link above: "The BRFSS estimated that 21.3 percent of Californians own guns. With a population of 37,253,956, this extrapolates to 7,935,093 gun owners in California. The BRFSS estimated that 35.9 percent of Texans own guns. With a population of 25,145,561, this extrapolates to 9,027,256 gun owners in Texas. Gun control advocates postulate that the accessibility of firearms leads to higher crime rates. With an estimated one million more guns in Texas, their gun-related homicide rate should be higher (even if nominally so). This is not the case; in 2010, California had 1,257 gun-related homicides, while Texas had just 805." "In the five states (Kansas, New Mexico, Ohio, Vermont, Wisconsin) that do not require a permit for purchase or carry, the rate is 0.0000259, the lowest of them all." "The one area that does seem to have a noticeable impact is a mandatory waiting period. " Given the recent situation in our own state and the analysis of the last item above maybe waiting periods are something to be looked at. I would not see a problem with waiting periods. What are the ratios of criminal on criminal homicides vs. Criminal on non-criminal in each state or non-criminal on non-criminal? What about city comparisons? Texas and California are very different. It's not just about the numbers. Sent from my DROID RAZR using Forum Runner
January 24, 201313 yr Simply cannot be definitively proven that they deter crime. You think a criminal is deterred by a hypothetical? Sent from my DROID RAZR using Forum Runner There is a statisical link in every single state RM. Every state that has instituded CCDW has had a signifigant decrease in violent crime since the program's inception. Are you really trying to claim that fact isn't statistically significant? Look at the major cities with the heaviest forms of gun control and compare their crime rates with large cities who have CCDW permits. The statistics are astounding. Do you think these links are simple coincidence?
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