I guess I can understand punishing the program to send a message...except what does that do to all of the individuals whose lives will be drastically impacted by the decision when they had absolutely zero to do with it?

 

What happens to Johnny the linebacker who accepted a full ride to play in the Big Ten and has been getting some NFL looks? His program disappears and he was trying to make a career out of football. So is he just out of luck?

I guess I can understand punishing the program to send a message...except what does that do to all of the individuals whose lives will be drastically impacted by the decision when they had absolutely zero to do with it?

 

What happens to Johnny the linebacker who accepted a full ride to play in the Big Ten and has been getting some NFL looks? His program disappears and he was trying to make a career out of football. So is he just out of luck?

 

Transfer?

All Current Penn State NFL Prospects:

Jack Crawford, DE

D'Anton Lynn, CB

Derek Moye, WR

Devon Still, DT

Nathan Stupar, OLB

Andrew Szczerba, TE

Johnnie Troutman, OG

 

Should they have anticipated a college having formerly employed a serial pedophile/child molester and that the head coach and other administrators covered up his actions and that the program would be axed from the NCAA before he committed?

I guess I can understand punishing the program to send a message...except what does that do to all of the individuals whose lives will be drastically impacted by the decision when they had absolutely zero to do with it?

 

What happens to Johnny the linebacker who accepted a full ride to play in the Big Ten and has been getting some NFL looks? His program disappears and he was trying to make a career out of football. So is he just out of luck?

 

I should add, I think the NCAA should only do it if PSU retains even one person that had to do with the coverup, in any capacity. Hell, I'd threaten them with the death penalty if they don't remove JoePa's statue. It's a disgrace.

I guess I can understand punishing the program to send a message...except what does that do to all of the individuals whose lives will be drastically impacted by the decision when they had absolutely zero to do with it?

 

What happens to Johnny the linebacker who accepted a full ride to play in the Big Ten and has been getting some NFL looks? His program disappears and he was trying to make a career out of football. So is he just out of luck?

 

If your company files bankruptcy and closes because the owners and executives embezzle all the money, what happens to you, your just out of luck right?

All Current Penn State NFL Prospects:

Jack Crawford, DE

D'Anton Lynn, CB

Derek Moye, WR

Devon Still, DT

Nathan Stupar, OLB

Andrew Szczerba, TE

Johnnie Troutman, OG

 

Should they have anticipated a college having formerly employed a serial pedophile/child molester and that the head coach and other administrators covered up his actions and that the program would be axed from the NCAA before he committed?

 

They should be granted full release to any NCAA team in any NCAA conference. The NCAA said they would never give the death penalty again after SMU because it set them back so much, pretty much forever. I'd like the same to happen to PSU unless everyone involved is punished.

Transfer?

 

They should be granted full release to any NCAA team in any NCAA conference. The NCAA said they would never give the death penalty again after SMU because it set them back so much, pretty much forever. I'd like the same to happen to PSU unless everyone involved is punished.

 

Okay, transfer. Legitimate possibility.

 

So what happens when a Penn State player had a starting position with players that they had been practicing and playing with for 1, 2, or 3 years straight, and now all of the sudden, they have to find a place to play, learn their schemes, play sets, and playbook, and then beat out other guys who were already division 1A starters?

 

I'm not saying it's impossible for them to transfer successfully, but man, that's no easy road. Seems like that's a pretty tough penalty to impose when A) the player had absolutely nothing to do and absolutely no knowledge of any child molesting, B) the administrators (even including the president of the university) that were involved are all gone.

I should add, I think the NCAA should only do it if PSU retains even one person that had to do with the coverup, in any capacity. Hell, I'd threaten them with the death penalty if they don't remove JoePa's statue. It's a disgrace.

 

Then I might agree with you.

If your company files bankruptcy and closes because the owners and executives embezzle all the money, what happens to you, your just out of luck right?

 

Bankruptcy HAS to happen one way or another because, well, the money's all gone. Killing the Penn State program doesn't HAVE to happen...it's a punishment being handed down willfully by an authority over the program. Different situation.

 

Also, I would argue that, if all parties involved are removed from power all the way up to the highest authority at the university (Graham Spanier, the university president), then the "punishment" is falling completely on people who had nothing to do with the offense. Then it wouldn't be a punishment, it would only be making an example of those uninvolved. I see those left in the wake of the crimes and scandal at Penn State as nothing more than whipping boys - in a very literal sense - for the other programs in the NCAA.

That's punishing an awful lot of people for the actions of a relative few...

I don't recall the "Lack of Institutional Control" reason for applying the Death Penalty mentioning anything about a minimum number required!! It seems obvious to me the Death Penalty would be applicable to the situation that has been uncovered at Penn State. I would argue it is much worse than the SMU situation of years past were the Death Penalty was given.

How about this:

 

Acme Medical is a blue chip corporate law firm. One of the associate attorneys sees a junior partner with the firm molesting a child, and tells a full partner. That partner, another partner, and the CEO all are informed and decide to cover up the situation, and no one else finds out. Finally the kid comes forward and presses charges against his molester, and the situation is made public down. People go to jail, the associate, the two full partners and the CEO are all canned.

 

Does the bar association come in and disbar any of the other attorneys who knew nothing? Should the company be forced into closing its doors?

I don't recall the "Lack of Institutional Control" reason for applying the Death Penalty mentioning anything about a minimum number required!! It seems obvious to me the Death Penalty would be applicable to the situation that has been uncovered at Penn State. I would argue it is much worse than the SMU situation of years past were the Death Penalty was given.

 

If the reason for the application of the penalty is "Lack Of Institutional Control", and those who controlled the institution have already resigned, then why punish the new folks?

How about this:

 

Acme Medical is a blue chip corporate law firm. One of the associate attorneys sees a junior partner with the firm molesting a child, and tells a full partner. That partner, another partner, and the CEO all are informed and decide to cover up the situation, and no one else finds out. Finally the kid comes forward and presses charges against his molester, and the situation is made public down. People go to jail, the associate, the two full partners and the CEO are all canned.

 

Does the bar association come in and disbar any of the other attorneys who knew nothing? Should the company be forced into closing its doors?

 

Not a good example. The NCAA isn't telling the players they can't participate anymore. Disbarring an attorney would make them find a new career. If the doors are closed they can always find another job "attorneying". Additionally, if everyone is canned then you do nothing, IMO.

Not a good example. The NCAA isn't telling the players they can't participate anymore. Disbarring an attorney would make them find a new career. If the doors are closed they can always find another job "attorneying". Additionally, if everyone is canned then you do nothing, IMO.

 

Fair enough...I was admittedly struggling to find a business type where there is a governing body capable of laying down a punishment on the actual company, much like the NCAA can lay down a punishment on Penn State.

 

I just keep looking at it and seeing that pretty much every person in authority over the football program is gone now. I can't really see the punishment fitting, seeing as the punishment will be completely coming down on the underlings in the school/football program that had absolutely nothing to do with it. The only point of the "punishment", therefore, is to make an example...and the example will be made of people who are absolutely innocent.

Fair enough...I was admittedly struggling to find a business type where there is a governing body capable of laying down a punishment on the actual company, much like the NCAA can lay down a punishment on Penn State.

 

I just keep looking at it and seeing that pretty much every person in authority over the football program is gone now. I can't really see the punishment fitting, seeing as the punishment will be completely coming down on the underlings in the school/football program that had absolutely nothing to do with it. The only point of the "punishment", therefore, is to make an example...and the example will be made of people who are absolutely innocent.

 

But that's what the NCAA does all the time. The school gets probation while the coach is somewhere else, without restriction.