Baptist Press - Statement on Calvinism draws approval, criticism - News with a Christian Perspective

 

There is a storm brewing amongst Southern Baptist. Personally I'm glad to see it here, for far too long the majority has been silent while Mohler and his cronies at Southern have tried to change what it means to be a Baptist.

Baptist Press - Statement on Calvinism draws approval, criticism - News with a Christian Perspective

 

There is a storm brewing amongst Southern Baptist. Personally I'm glad to see it here, for far too long the majority has been silent while Mohler and his cronies at Southern have tried to change what it means to be a Baptist.

 

You and I are in total agreement on that one HT721.

 

Unfortunately the SBC will slip into an abyss of in-fighting. I lived through the "Holy War" of the 80's and have since disassociated myself from them. First the problem was "the liberals are . . . " Then the war was over being in lockstep with the hierarchy. Now it's the Calvinism vs. Free Will debate. These guys have to have a demon or enemy to fight with or they will make one up to satisfy their "cause."

Baptist Press - Statement on Calvinism draws approval, criticism - News with a Christian Perspective

 

There is a storm brewing amongst Southern Baptist. Personally I'm glad to see it here, for far too long the majority has been silent while Mohler and his cronies at Southern have tried to change what it means to be a Baptist.

As a Devout Catholic Christian I would like to know what does it mean to be a Baptist ? It seems like every congregation has a different answer to that question .

As a Devout Catholic Christian I would like to know what does it mean to be a Baptist ? It seems like every congregation has a different answer to that question .

 

It's like I've told many before: What is the one thing that the following people have in common?

 

Jimmy Carter, Jerry Falwell, Bill Clinton, Billy Graham, Al Gore, and Mike Huckabee.

 

They are all Baptists.

As a Devout Catholic Christian I would like to know what does it mean to be a Baptist ? It seems like every congregation has a different answer to that question .

 

That is kind of what it means to be baptist. Initially it was the autonomy of the local church, among other things of course, but autonomy was the big thing.

That is kind of what it means to be baptist. Initially it was the autonomy of the local church, among other things of course, but autonomy was the big thing.

 

Somewhat yes, supporting missionaries was a big one for the southern baptist convention, well that and slavery but no one wants to admit it. When the triennial baptist convention split up and the Southern Baptist were formed the final straw between northern and southern baptist churches was about supporting missionaries. Slavery had always been a hot button issue between the two but the south's desire to sponsor missionaries ultimately was the last straw that broke the camels back so to speak.

You and I are in total agreement on that one HT721.

 

Unfortunately the SBC will slip into an abyss of in-fighting. I lived through the "Holy War" of the 80's and have since disassociated myself from them. First the problem was "the liberals are . . . " Then the war was over being in lockstep with the hierarchy. Now it's the Calvinism vs. Free Will debate. These guys have to have a demon or enemy to fight with or they will make one up to satisfy their "cause."

 

Back in the good old days no group of Christians was a bigger supporter of separation of church and state, but as you mentioned in the 80's that all changed.

 

Somewhat yes, supporting missionaries was a big one for the southern baptist convention, well that and slavery but no one wants to admit it. When the triennial baptist convention split up and the Southern Baptist were formed the final straw between northern and southern baptist churches was about supporting missionaries. Slavery had always been a hot button issue between the two but the south's desire to sponsor missionaries ultimately was the last straw that broke the camels back so to speak.

 

OK. I am fairly versed on the history of different religions...but I am completely ignorant of the issues surrounding the support of missionaries. I'd love it if you could fill me in!

OK. I am fairly versed on the history of different religions...but I am completely ignorant of the issues surrounding the support of missionaries. I'd love it if you could fill me in!

 

Many southern baptist churches wanted to support Adoniram Judson and his work in Asia white northern baptist did not,there were a few other missionaries and political figures as well. I wrote a paper about it once. If I can find a copy of it I'll give you some more names to google but Judson was the main one that comes to mind.

Many southern baptist churches wanted to support Adoniram Judson and his work in Asia white northern baptist did not,there were a few other missionaries and political figures as well. I wrote a paper about it once. If I can find a copy of it I'll give you some more names to google but Judson was the main one that comes to mind.

 

 

The Slavery issue was huge because of the question whether a missionary could have slaves.

 

James Reave was nominated by Georgia Baptists as a Home Missionary but his ownership of slaves was the reason he was submitted by Georgians. Alabamians likewise asked the Foreign Missionary Board if slave owners could be appointed.

 

The responses were not positive for Southern Baptists and they began to gather and form the SBC in 1845.

 

Leon McBeth is the best Baptist History source I've ever seen. "The Baptist Heritage."

You and I are in total agreement on that one HT721.

 

Unfortunately the SBC will slip into an abyss of in-fighting. I lived through the "Holy War" of the 80's and have since disassociated myself from them. First the problem was "the liberals are . . . " Then the war was over being in lockstep with the hierarchy. Now it's the Calvinism vs. Free Will debate. These guys have to have a demon or enemy to fight with or they will make one up to satisfy their "cause."

 

Hey Hatz, when most people think of John Calvin, they think of predestination, that it was predetermined whether you would receive salvation or damnation even before you were conceived. I know Calvinists today don't believe that. Could you give the Cliff Notes, Calvinism for Dummies version of modern Calvinism?

Hey Hatz, when most people think of John Calvin, they think of predestination, that it was predetermined whether you would receive salvation or damnation even before you were conceived. I know Calvinists today don't believe that. Could you give the Cliff Notes, Calvinism for Dummies version of modern Calvinism?

 

Most Calvinist today do still believe that, they disguise it, but deep down that's really still at the heart of Calvinism, that God's Grace is only given to the elect.

Most Calvinist today do still believe that, they disguise it, but deep down that's really still at the heart of Calvinism, that God's Grace is only given to the elect.

 

Really? They believe some people, not matter how they live their life, whether they repent and accept Jesus as their Savior cannot ever receive salvation?

Really? They believe some people, not matter how they live their life, whether they repent and accept Jesus as their Savior cannot ever receive salvation?

 

Well they would tell you that the people that do those only do them because they are of the elect.

And people wonder why I have a dim view of the Baptist faith, in all its scores of indecipherable stripes. Thanks to those who have been willing to be honest about the ugly stripes, instead of being obstinate.