May 30, 201214 yr Is this taking the get the vote too far and actually ethical for them to do this and has it been done before by past Presidents? Holder to brief black pastors on campaign 2012 | Campaign 2012 | Washington Examiner
May 30, 201214 yr Is this taking the get the vote too far and actually ethical for them to do this and has it been done before by past Presidents? Holder to brief black pastors on campaign 2012 | Campaign 2012 | Washington Examiner You mean like Romney speaking at Liberty's graduation? Or the group that the young Falwell has spawned here in VA that has dinner/meetings with pastors instructing them on how to "preach politics from the pulpit without endangering their IRS status?" (I know because I actually had one of the backers approach me with an invitation which I promptly told him that I would not be there)
May 30, 201214 yr Come on guys, this goes way beyond just going to church or the candidate speaking at a private university. "In fact, we're going to have the IRS administrator there, we're going to have the Attorney General Eric Holder there, we're going to have the lawyers' organization from around the country, the ACLU -- all giving ministers guidance about what they can and cannot do," he noted. Cleaver said they would not tell pastors which candidate to support. They will let them know who to regard as the bad guys, though (hint: not Democrats). "We're going to talk about some of the draconian laws that have cropped up around the country as a result of the 17 percent increase in African American votes," Cleaver said, describing voter ID laws as a form of Jim Crow-style "poll tax" on seniors and black voters That doesn't concern you? The involvement of the IRS official to a targeted group certainly does me. The question was asked, has any other sitting president done this?
May 30, 201214 yr Is going to churches new for candidates? Seems like it's fairly common. The AG, IRS representatives and lawyers providing specific guidance on 'how to participate' without breaking the law is a little more than just a candidate showing up a a church, no?
May 30, 201214 yr I would be ok with it if it were targeted to any and all religious organizations instead of those who support the president. It's very easy for these organizations to break the rules.
May 30, 201214 yr Is this taking the get the vote too far and actually ethical for them to do this and has it been done before by past Presidents? Holder to brief black pastors on campaign 2012 | Campaign 2012 | Washington Examiner The IRS administrator is there to advise the pastors what they can or cannot say to their congregations regarding the election and how the "cannot say" items would be a violation of their tax-exempt status. Any other statements regarding the support of any candidate by a government worker (i.e. IRS or otherwise) would be in violation of the Hatch Act.
May 30, 201214 yr I wonder if AG Eric Holder and crew will make the rounds at the Catholic churches as well....
May 30, 201214 yr The AG, IRS representatives and lawyers providing specific guidance on 'how to participate' without breaking the law is a little more than just a candidate showing up a a church, no? Yes it is. It sounds to me like they are doing their jobs. Call me back when they refuse an invitation from an Evangelical group. Then I'll have a problem.
May 30, 201214 yr Yes it is. It sounds to me like they are doing their jobs. Call me back when they refuse an invitation from an Evangelical group. Then I'll have a problem. The AG's job is to train churches how not to break the law? Well, that is better than selling guns to foreign drug cartels.
May 31, 201214 yr It never ceases to amaze (and scare) me what supporters of this administration will do to protect their fiefdom.
May 31, 201214 yr The AG, IRS representatives and lawyers providing specific guidance on 'how to participate' without breaking the law is a little more than just a candidate showing up a a church, no? In the big picture, no, but certainly taking it to a new degree.
May 31, 201214 yr It never ceases to amaze (and scare) me what supporters of this administration will do to protect their fiefdom. I had re-read that last word....I thought it said 'freedom'. Protecting fiefdoms and protecting freedoms are too very different things.
May 31, 201214 yr Author Att. General says voting rights under fire. As if to underscore the point, however, a voting rights group is worried that Holder and the Justice Department aren’t acting quickly enough to stop Florida’s Republican governor from continuing a purge of registered voters from the state’s rolls because they lack proof of U.S. citizenship.* Uh, shouldn't you have to be a U.S. citizen to vote, is Holder even allowed to basically go out and do this. Will he go and do the same thing for white churches? Is this a form of racism on his part and the White House for letting him do it. Holder is supposed to uphold the law, not campaign for more votes. Holder to black leaders: 'Sacred' right to vote under attack - POLITICO.com
May 31, 201214 yr Author The right to vote isn't under attack. You should have to show proof you are a citizen,we can't just let every single person show up to vote. The Obama Administration is wrong on trying to allow everyone to vote, I'll be glad to show my proof of citizenship.
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