I can't imagine how blatant a flop it would have to be to draw a T.

I've seen it called. For example:

A one on one fast break. The defensive player is running side by side with the offensive player. As the O player gets ready to jump for the layup, the D player leans/slides underneath the O player resulting in a blatant flop that is extremely dangerous. (both are in a fast paced run) I think this is the type of play they are talking about.

Well here is a call for you guys and gals. Tuesday night at the Johnson Central and Boyd Co. game. A BC player was driving the lane and a JC player attempted to draw the charge. Well the official under the basket was calling it a blocking foul and the basket good. Well one of the officials on the outside said no it was a charging foul no basket. Well they got together and here was the call. NO basket and a double foul for charging and blocking! Now can anyone tell me that they have heard of that before? :eek: :scared: :confused: :argue: :creepy:

Well here is a call for you guys and gals. Tuesday night at the Johnson Central and Boyd Co. game. A BC player was driving the lane and a JC player attempted to draw the charge. Well the official under the basket was calling it a blocking foul and the basket good. Well one of the officials on the outside said no it was a charging foul no basket. Well they got together and here was the call. NO basket and a double foul for charging and blocking! Now can anyone tell me that they have heard of that before? :eek: :scared: :confused: :argue: :creepy:

No, but sounds like they were trying to satisfy both sides and keep peace??? :confused:

Well here is a call for you guys and gals. Tuesday night at the Johnson Central and Boyd Co. game. A BC player was driving the lane and a JC player attempted to draw the charge. Well the official under the basket was calling it a blocking foul and the basket good. Well one of the officials on the outside said no it was a charging foul no basket. Well they got together and here was the call. NO basket and a double foul for charging and blocking! Now can anyone tell me that they have heard of that before? :eek: :scared: :confused: :argue: :creepy:

 

Saw it 2 weeks ago in the Elder CCH game. Exact same situation.

No, but sounds like they were trying to satisfy both sides and keep peace??? :confused:

 

Oh it didn't keep the peace. Almost started a war. JC returned in the second half and won from an 18 point defcict. I don't see how this is possible. It either has to be a charge or a blocking. One has to cancel the other out. :confused:

It either has to be a charge or a blocking. One has to cancel the other out. :confused:

 

Good question for our resident BGP referees. In the CCH Elder game, the ref who made the block call on CCH(right call IMO) was right there. The ref who made the charge call was out top(play happened on baseline). It seems to me they would have gotten together , discussed it, and basically turned it over to the ref whose area it was in.

 

The double-foul leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth and leaves them saying exactly what halfstep said: it has be one or the other.

On the blocking/charging issue, let me mention something that was told at the basketball rules clinic 1-2 years ago. Defensive player places his foot on the end/side line to take the charge. He is set and in position for 1-2 seconds before the offensive player runs over him. CHarge or Block?

 

 

 

 

 

Block because you cannot place any part of your body out of bounds as a defender to stop the offensive player. You place your foot on that sideline and it automatically becomes a block because you are out of bounds. It DOES NOT matter how long you have been set if you are out of bounds.

Your right ladiesbballcoach....

 

The person was not in a legal "guarding" position. You must have both feet in bounds to be in a legal guarding position. Also, another issue is the fact of the 5 second rule, in which you have the count going with a defender and then an on-the-ball screen is set and there is a switch...the count stays alive. I've seen officials break the count or start a new one...they are still within the desired distance for the count, so it should not stop.

Your right ladiesbballcoach....

 

The person was not in a legal "guarding" position. You must have both feet in bounds to be in a legal guarding position. Also, another issue is the fact of the 5 second rule, in which you have the count going with a defender and then an on-the-ball screen is set and there is a switch...the count stays alive. I've seen officials break the count or start a new one...they are still within the desired distance for the count, so it should not stop.

Great point. The 5 second call is NOT by one defender but could be all 5 defenders closely guarding the ballhandler for 1 second each.

On the blocking/charging issue, let me mention something that was told at the basketball rules clinic 1-2 years ago. Defensive player places his foot on the end/side line to take the charge. He is set and in position for 1-2 seconds before the offensive player runs over him. CHarge or Block?

 

 

 

 

 

Block because you cannot place any part of your body out of bounds as a defender to stop the offensive player. You place your foot on that sideline and it automatically becomes a block because you are out of bounds. It DOES NOT matter how long you have been set if you are out of bounds.

 

 

And how many coaches have you instructing their defenders (especially in grade school) to put that foot on or over the side line to make the defender run over you or go out of bounds on the press?

And how many coaches have you instructing their defenders (especially in grade school) to put that foot on or over the side line to make the defender run over you or go out of bounds on the press?

Every single one.

 

Another rule about 3-4 years ago they said they were going to enforce but did not was blocking out. If you put your "butt in the gut" and displace the opponent, that is supposed to be a foul.

 

You can slide and keep them behind you.

 

But you move them backwards displace them from their spot and it is supposed to be a foul.

 

I teach butt in gut and push them back 1-2 steps.

Every single one.

 

Another rule about 3-4 years ago they said they were going to enforce but did not was blocking out. If you put your "butt in the gut" and displace the opponent, that is supposed to be a foul.

 

You can slide and keep them behind you.

 

But you move them backwards displace them from their spot and it is supposed to be a foul.

 

I teach butt in gut and push them back 1-2 steps.

 

That would be hard to call. I mean if Shaq is boxing me out I'm pretty sure he would displace me by touching me (butt in the face???) every time.

Now if Iverson was boxing me out and knocked me back 2 steps I might get a call but I'd have to be as good of a flop actor as Jim Carey.

Hats off to anyone that wants to referee a high school basketball game in any state, but especially this state. In TN, they have 3 referees for every game and more for post-season. The level of the refereeing is much better down there and they are not considered a basketball state like KY is. When KY decides that there need to be 3 referees at every game then the level of the refereeing will go up.

 

I think that the most undercalled infraction is the 3 second violation. But when you consider that the referees have to watch so much on the floor, the 3 second violation is probably the last thing they worry about.

Hats off to anyone that wants to referee a high school basketball game in any state, but especially this state. In TN, they have 3 referees for every game and more for post-season. The level of the refereeing is much better down there and they are not considered a basketball state like KY is. When KY decides that there need to be 3 referees at every game then the level of the refereeing will go up.

 

I think that the most undercalled infraction is the 3 second violation. But when you consider that the referees have to watch so much on the floor, the 3 second violation is probably the last thing they worry about.

 

Most , if not all, of the NKY games I've seen this year have 3 refs.

This has been a very informative thread. I feel for a female I knew the rules pertty well. I have learned some insight to several rules by reading the post....now maybe I wont' make a fool of myself at the games...