Bonds in that stretch was the most dominating athlete I have ever seen over a span of a few years. Each game he would maybe get 2-3 pitches that were hittable. And by gosh he would hit it, and hit it hard.

No we're not. We're talking of guys you'd vote for, that's it.

 

And yes, if we're saying Biggio isn't a HOF'er, we're throwing numbers completely out.

I thought we were asking who I would vote for in 2013. Isn't this Biggio's first season on the ballot?

I thought we were asking who I would vote for in 2013. Isn't this Biggio's first season on the ballot?

 

I know we're voting for next season, but I didn't take it as taking years on the ballot into consideration.

 

Also, why does it matter? What the heck changes between this season & next season? Is Biggio going to have a huge year next season that puts him over the top?

I know we're voting for next season, but I didn't take it as taking years on the ballot into consideration.

 

Also, why does it matter? What the heck changes between this season & next season? Is Biggio going to have a huge year next season that puts him over the top?

I have a two year rule. The first ballot is comprised of people I believe can be eligible to be on the Mount Rushmore of the sport. Ruth, Aaron, Ryan, Mantle, etc. the best of the best. After that year I take in everyone else.

^Why? (BTW, Mt. Rushmore only has 4 people, so no one in the past 30 years would be a 1st ballot guy, in your eyes?)

 

I've never heard a logical reason why a player isn't HOF worthy one year, but is the next...:idunno:

You can put up to 10 people on your ballot. They all MUST BE ELIGIBLE (no votes for Pete):

 

Returning candidates:

 

Jack Morris, Jeff Bagwell, Lee Smith, Tim Raines, Alan Trammell, Edgar Martinez, Fred McGriff, Larry Walker, Mark McGwire, Don Mattingly, Dale Murphy (final time on ballot), Rafael Palmeiro, Bernie Williams

 

Potential new candidates:

 

Craig Biggio, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Mike Piazza, Curt Schilling, Sammy Sosa, Kenny Lofton, David Wells, Julio Franco, Shawn Green, Steve Finley, Roberto Hernández, Jeff Cirillo, José Valentín, Reggie Sanders, Jeff Conine, José Mesa, Royce Clayton, Bob Wickman, Ryan Klesko, Aaron Sele, Woody Williams, Rondell White, Mike Lieberthal, Tony Batista, Mike Stanton, Sandy Alomar, Jr., Damian Miller, and Todd Walker.

 

McGwire

Paleiro

Biggio

Bonds

Piazza

Sosa

Clemens

^Why? (BTW, Mt. Rushmore only has 4 people, so no one in the past 30 years would be a 1st ballot guy, in your eyes?)

 

I've never heard a logical reason why a player isn't HOF worthy one year, but is the next...:idunno:

I have never understood the guys that get in years later. My only distinction is between first ballot guys and the rest. 2 years.

 

Nominated for the Mt. Rushmore of the sport. Worthy of consideration of being on Mt. Rushmore. Bonds and Clemens would easily be on that list from the guys listed.

I have never understood the guys that get in years later. My only distinction is between first ballot guys and the rest. 2 years.

 

Nominated for the Mt. Rushmore of the sport. Worthy of consideration of being on Mt. Rushmore. Bonds and Clemens would easily be on that list from the guys listed.

 

 

Agreed. On both sentiments.

^Why? (BTW, Mt. Rushmore only has 4 people, so no one in the past 30 years would be a 1st ballot guy, in your eyes?)

 

I've never heard a logical reason why a player isn't HOF worthy one year, but is the next...:idunno:

Bonds is worthy of an "only 4" spot.

I still laugh when I think about the reports that said Bonds got mad watching McGwire and Sosa hitting all of those home runs and he knew they were juicing. I remember reading that Bonds said that if he ever took steroids that he'd hit 80 home runs or something to that effect. :lol: Watching McGwire and Sosa hit was a lot fun but nothing compares to watching Bonds at the plate when he was juicing. Mesmerizing when they pitched to him. Unreal. :lol:

I still laugh when I think about the reports that said Bonds got mad watching McGwire and Sosa hitting all of those home runs and he knew they were juicing. I remember reading that Bonds said that if he ever took steroids that he'd hit 80 home runs or something to that effect. :lol: Watching McGwire and Sosa hit was a lot fun but nothing compares to watching Bonds at the plate when he was juicing. Mesmerizing when they pitched to him. Unreal. :lol:

Totally agree. Easily the best hitter I've seen in my lifetime.

Totally agree. Easily the best hitter I've seen in my lifetime.

 

Second all-time in career WAR, fourth all-time in career OPS, has 400 more walks to his credit than the next-best hitter and the guy was the National League MVP seven times. I'll consider myself fabulously lucky if I see another player like that before I die. History suggests it should be in the neighborhood of 60 years. I hope I live long enough to see it.

 

As for that OPS figure, there are only seven other players with a career OPS over 1.0: Rogers Hornsby, Hank Greenberg, Albert Pujols, Jimmie Foxx, Lou Gehrig, Ted Williams and Babe Ruth. That's good company.

Second all-time in career WAR, fourth all-time in career OPS, has 400 more walks to his credit than the next-best hitter and the guy was the National League MVP seven times. I'll consider myself fabulously lucky if I see another player like that before I die. History suggests it should be in the neighborhood of 60 years. I hope I live long enough to see it.

 

As for that OPS figure, there are only seven other players with a career OPS over 1.0: Rogers Hornsby, Hank Greenberg, Albert Pujols, Jimmie Foxx, Lou Gehrig, Ted Williams and Babe Ruth. That's good company.

Exactly!!!

I'd go with:

Jack Morris

Tim Raines

Dale Murphy

Craig Biggio

Barry Bonds

Roger Clemens

Mike Piazza

Curt Schilling

Rafael Palmiero

Jeff Bagwell

 

Lots of good names this year, I would use all 10 votes.

It's a crime for Jack Morris to not be in. The most dominant pitcher of the '80s, and one of the best big-game pitchers there was.