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1983, Conner comes back from a 7-6 deficit to beat Franklin Simpson in the AAA contest 12-7. The first touchdown for Conner was a halfback to the quarterback. In that game, Conner coach Bob Lewis became the only coach to win a state title (at the time) in two states (Ohio at Wyoming).

DD...What you posted is correct, but one can be in possession of the ball with the ball not being in the field of play. The obvious example is a touchdown. By rule, the field of play is from goal line to goal line. If a player catches a pass in the endzone for a touchdown, he certainly is in possession of the ball and he's not in the field of play. It's just that in the case we have been discussed in the endzones do not matter because once a kick, any kick, breaks the plane of the goal, the play is over.

Didn't I say ignore them?

There are three characteristics of fans: 1. They do not know the rules. 2. They favor one team over the other. 3. They delight in antagonizing the officials. Thus, a successful official knows how to do one very important thing and that is to ignore them all.

Actually, the rules are not the same between high school and college. For an offensive face mask in college, inadvertant or otherwise, it is a 15 yard foul. High school has the 5 or 15 option for offensive and defensive face masking fouls. And, yes, I've never called one in college either. Not saying I would not, but it would have be big, big, big and before God and everyone. FBRULES

Never for me. It's bush league. And, if it's worth calling it's worth being a personal foul.

My comment is in reference to another thread where it is stated that we don't work "for perfection." Guess that one rubbed me the wrong way.

Hard rock, Guess we'll just have to work on that as well as we strive for perfection. FBRULES

Touching in the face mask incidentally is no foul. Grabbing the face mask and releasing is 5 yards. Grabbing following by pulling, twisting or turning is 15 yards.

Tough as Nails, I'm glad too because as was pointed out on another thread there are very few of us striving hard for perfection, like all the coaches, fans, and players do. FBRULES

Or, why not, as the case may be.

Looks like I was writing at the same time as offside.

Any player can receive a backwards pass and/or a ball handed backwards. This isn't what is called a 'planned loose ball' because the ball was never loose. The rules allow for a handoff (forward, that is) to a lineman after the lineman has turned and faced his own goal line (with both of his feet facing his own goal line) and the lineman must be at least one yard behind his own line of scrimmage. (7-3-2a) The play is legal. FBRULES

OPI is 15 yards and a loss of down. So, in your play 15 yards and give the defense the ball. Pretty severe dont you think? More severe than a personal foul or unsportsmanlike conduct. I don't know if Ohio has an experimental rule for OPI, but I don't think they do.

http://www.bluegrasspreps.com/showthread.php?t=100350&highlight=blocking+waist

I believe that's been discussed ad nauseum on previous threads.

Comet, however, is wrong in his enforcment. In high school, if kick catching interference is called, the receiving team has three choices... 1. a 15 yard penalty from the line of scrimmage (the previous spot) and replay the down 2. taking the ball with what's called an awarded fair catch the spot of the foul or 3. declining the penalty and accepting the results of the play. The option they DO NOT EVER have is 15 yards from the spot of the foul and keeping the ball. That's only in college and professional football, but it's never in high school.

It does pay to know the rules.

It's funny to see someone injured or potentially injured?

94 Camel is incorrect. That block that HIT SOMEBODY describes is illegal.

No, you certainly did not claim to know the rules and asked an honest question. It's just a general observation based on reading other posts here and on other threads.

Defensive pass interference is also a first down. And, a personal foul could be a spot foul, previous spot or even end of the run based on what kind of play it was and when it happened. Since the personal foul described above is described as a late hit then the down counted and it was second down following the mark off. Thus, when OPI was called the loss of down made it 3rd down. It is clear though that the ones that seem to criticize the most also are the ones that (1) don't know the rules and (2) claim they do.

Correct. Actually that rule went away about 10 years ago.

Here's a link to a video from a state association talking about the rule we have "discussed" recently. The first play is the rule we have been talking about. The receiving coming across the middle is not a potential blocker for the runner, he's knocked off his route, and a foul. The official at the top of the screen looks to be going for his pocket for a flag, but I don't know if the foul was missed or not. The second play is another example of illegal use of hands, a rare one. I like the fact that the narration indicates that it was not until the team started getting an advantage that this foul should be called. http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=3062e9fec25ab6e58718bde0e8c612ff.698905&fr=yvmtf I trust this will help. FBRULES

I certainly did not say throw the flag every time there is contact. I simply stated the rule. Officials still have to decide whether or not contact gained and advantage and use some common sense. The rule says "no longer a potential blocker." The indicates that some sort of football move has been made making it clear he is a receiver. If he's on the same line then he's still a potential blocker. As to the crack back the rule does not apply because he is still a potential blocker for someone running the ball. I think much ado is being made of something without really looking at the clear intent of the rule. I'm not going to argue with someone who may or may not like the rule, but that's what it is. The rule book does not say, "You can't hit them unless they hit you" and no one else said that on here. You did. The rule book states that contact against an eligible receiver is prohibited after he is no longer a potential blocker. That's not difficult to understand really.