I just don't see the teaching value in an up down? Other than a great way to punish a 15 - 17 yr old kid or cause a shoulder injury, which has taken place more than once @ Ryle. I hope that the coaches can find a better way to address the shortcommings that took place last night. I never suggested blame but a true leader is shoulder to shoulder with their troops. You win and lose as a team, which includes coaches. You can't teach anything when your angery.