There is much much more to the game of basketball then offensive scoring stats. Just because a player from any team (boys, girls, middle school, high school, college, NBA) takes the majority of their teams shots, doesn't make them a great basketball player. It will, more times then not, make them the leading scorer but not necessarily "All Region". Too many players, parents and coaches place so much emphasis on offensive stats that they completely forget about who's playing defense, blocking shots, deflecting passes, going after loose balls, creating turnovers, communicating with teammates, rebounding, encouraging younger players and a stat that isn't even listed on KHSAA......ASSISTS! Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to devalue their offensive accomplishments because both of the players listed in this thread are fine ballplayers and I'm sure, great kids. I'm not sure how or who chooses "All Region" players but I would like to think that they choose players based on who they feel has (as close to) the complete package. But one thing I know for sure is....good players do some of these things well but great players do all of these things well. Iverson could score 50 and lose.....yet Jordan has 6 rings!

 

Agree, I have stated many times it is not just the scoring stats. It is the whole package.

Chambers has played against much tougher competition than Carr. Based on that, Chambers has the head-to-head edge.

 

Agreed, SK has had an outstanding year and exceeded expectations of what many thought to be a down year by SK standards.Based on that, would it not be fair to say that Chambers should be 8th region POY?

Good point but, Jordan had a lot more help than Iverson.

Would you bake a cake without all of the ingredients? It is about being able to do all things on the floor to be a Regional Player.

There was a conversation on ESPN this morning about PER (Player Effeciency Rating) and how we can use that to evaluate players. Stats are just one way to assess a player, we would have to look at more than that.

Good point but, Jordan had a lot more help than Iverson.

 

Agreed. I didn't see Pippen, Rodman, Grant, Paxton, et al playing for the Sixers. But that is for another thread.

Carr and Hunt both had quality years. Sampson from SK, Stone brothers from Collins, Gibson from Carroll, Haysley from South Oldham, Alexander from Trimble, etc. There are always quality players that get left off.

 

Is there a list of who made the all 8th region team? I must of missed it. Thanks

Agreed. I didn't see Pippen, Rodman, Grant, Paxton, et al playing for the Sixers. But that is for another thread.

 

Actually only Jordan and Pippen are the only 2 starters on all 6 teams. Jordan attained 6 titles with basically 3 different groups of players and was voted to the All-NBA Defensive First Team 8 times. But like you said....that's for another thread. The question was asked why 2 players with basically the same offensive stats would not both make it on the "All Region" team. I was merely pointing out that while offensively they may appear similar, as a "total package" they could be quite different. The sad thing is.... there are 1000's of players out there that never get the recognition they deserve because the headlines are only concerned about who the "leading scorer" was. I witnessed a player about 5 years ago that had 18 assists in a single game, although he was congratulated after the game, it wasn't a big deal to most. Those 18 assists lead to at least 36 points and a victory for his team....yet nobody remembers his name.

John Stockton, Isiah Thomas, Jason Kidd, Magic Johnson, Steve Nash, all memorable names. Assists were not available to post from the KHSAA website but both players mentioned in this thread are very unselfish kids. There were several quality players left off the list. Better luck next year!

Oh and lets not forget "JEREMY LIN "

John Stockton, Isiah Thomas, Jason Kidd, Magic Johnson, Steve Nash, all memorable names. Assists were not available to post from the KHSAA website but both players mentioned in this thread are very unselfish kids. There were several quality players left off the list. Better luck next year!

 

I'm sorry if you misunderstood me, I said "could be quite different" not that they were quite different. I didn't mean to insinuate that ANY player mentioned was selfish. As a matter of fact I believe I said that they were both fine ballplayers. The point of my post was to say that choosing "All Region" players is about more then offensive stats. In this case, the problem is not with the players, it's with the availability of "complete stats" and/or criteria used to choose players. I personally agree that there were several players left off the list or at least left out of consideration. Hunt and Carr being 2 of them. They both had very good years and along with others should have at least gotten an honorable mention or something. They are both good ball players and great kids and certainly deserved consideration.

No offense taken, sorry I misunderstood. There is a lack of statistical data and should be a defined criteria, otherwise it is similar to a gymnastics competition scoring, nothing more than opinion.

No offense taken, sorry I misunderstood. There is a lack of statistical data and should be a defined criteria, otherwise it is similar to a gymnastics competition scoring, nothing more than opinion.

 

Agreed. For that reason alone, a lot of good players get left behind.