It absolutely does apply to this. You're defending a wrong of the government by blaming the church's issues.

 

The issue is the Church. The rest is just fodder. What % of the parishoners each Sunday are practicing birth control? Ever hear much about that in a homily? Shouldn't we be more concerned about the members actual actions vs a 1st Amendment debate?

You just summarized it for me. We're more worried about the 1st Amendment than we are about the actions of the flock.

 

I'm much more worried about the first amendment. It's the first amendment that allows the flock to worship at their will.

I'm much more worried about the first amendment. It's the first amendment that allows the flock to worship at their will.

 

I worship every Sunday how I wish. The government will never come INTO the church and tell me how to practice my faith. Anyone that thinks otherwise needs to build a bunker.

The issue is the Church. The rest is just fodder. What % of the parishoners each Sunday are practicing birth control? Ever hear much about that in a homily? Shouldn't we be more concerned about the members actual actions vs a 1st Amendment debate?

NO!!!!!

 

This is not about Catholisism. This is about the constitution and the government overstepping it's bounds irregardless of what religion you follow.

NO!!!!!

 

This is not about Catholisism. This is about the constitution and the government overstepping it's bounds irregardless of what religion you follow.

 

THIS THREAD is about Catholicism.

I know this may be shocking to some, but I do think it is an overstepping of the bounds of government. When you go to work for a Catholic organization you should be aware of the restrictions that may be placed on the procedures or prescriptions covered by the "Church's" insurance plan.

 

Given that, it begs the question as to why insurance is tied to ones work. We should have a very different system so that folks can afford to go buy it on their own, or we should have a single payer system, that people pay for.

 

the other question that is begged (???) is whether or not gay kids can go to St. X or Trinity on "scholarship"? Can the diocese deny them access to the education? Can they deny access to the schools or insurance to gluttons. Why is it only birth control?

 

You are right. I am a bit shocked, and also impressed with the first paragraph.

 

I'm not saying I agree or disagree on the 2nd and 3rd paragraph, but I think they are unrelated and worthy of a different thread.

THIS THREAD is about Catholicism.

 

This thread is about the government overstepping it's bounds.

This thread is about the government overstepping it's bounds.

 

Not to those paying attention. I started this thread as a Catholic ABOUT the Catholic church. I already said the "govt instrusion" part is another good topic. If you want to start that debate start a thread. It will make for good discussion.

Your title was "Politics hits the pulpit" not "Is the Catholic church preaching one thing and doing another".

You just summarized it for me. We're more worried about the 1st Amendment than we are about the actions of the flock.

 

I believe this about members of the Catholic Church (the flock) being concerned about religious freedom and the in roads Obama is trying to make in controlling religion.

I believe this about members of the Catholic Church (the flock) being concerned about religious freedom and the in roads Obama is trying to make in controlling religion.

 

So you truly see this as the President of the United States trying to "control" religion? Think about that before you answer.

 

Remember, many states already had this in their state laws.

Whether this relates or not...here is something I have been thinking about, but I need to do some research.

Does St Elizabeth hospital perform sterilization procedures at their facilities? If the answer is no, because it is against the Catholic Church (and not because they are not equipped), then I will question why a Catholic hospital must now pay for these services for their employees who may choose it.

THIS THREAD is about Catholicism.

Therefore, I am confused about your statement that the Church has better things to do than be involved in politics. The Catholic Church has been involved in politics since its inception.

Therefore, I am confused about your statement that the Church has better things to do than be involved in politics. The Catholic Church has been involved in politics since its inception.

 

100% correct. They need to focus internally.

I struggle with this one.

 

IMO the Church has bigger issues . If the flock is truly following the teachings then this ruling is moot. The ruling does not FORCE any employee of a Catholic-based institution to use contraceptive services. It's silly to think that employees of these institutions are not already violating Church doctrine.

 

The Church should place it's energies and priority on doing a better job of teaching and influencing . They should be worried more about the individuals that , in their view, are wrong and less time worrying about the institution itself.

 

It does, however, force them to provide things like Plan B. I can tell you, with an uncle and a sister-in-law who are both firm believers that Plan B DOES cause an early term abortion, and both of whom are pharmacists in Catholic hospitals, they most certainly feel forced to do something that directly contradicts their beliefs in the sanctity of life.