Yep your right, other teams in your poll have played teams with combined records of 11-22, 14-19. 16-19 and some have those GOOD QUALITY LOSSES. Some have 2 quality losses and of these losses some are blow-outs. Russell County with opponents 13-20 and no good quality losses dont fit with these fine records.......you are exactly right. Wish you had to make your decision just by looking at the records with the wins and losses without the schools name........might be a different story then......yep that would be a nice bet to take

 

Where do you think they belong in the BGP rankings? Certainly not in the Top 4, but where in 5-10 would you put them?

Yeah, guess theguru must have come to Lake Cumberland and not been treated to his fancy. Must have a terrible dislike for Russell County or its coaches. If Russell beats or has a good showing against Rockcastle, then do us a favor and don't jump on our band wagon at that time......we're not good enuff to impress you now, and dont want your respect at that time.

 

It took a quality win for Rockcastle to finally make it into the poll. Take the chip on your shoulder that you have, make sure the team plays with it on Friday and defeat Rockcastle County and then you'll likely get the respect you seek. Good luck.

Where do you think they belong in the BGP rankings? Certainly not in the Top 4, but where in 5-10 would you put them?

 

I don't have a clue but it becomes much easier if they beat Rockcastle this Friday.

Never once said to look at just wins and losses . Said to look at records and wins and losses.....please don't misquote. If theguru doesnt want logical critism backed with facts then he shouldn't say "agree or disagree". Stick with my earlier statement that the poll would be different to hand these guys the wins and loss record and the scores and records of the other teams played , in a blind study. Its called name bias. I agree its just a poll and we WILL know after friday night. I personally don't know if Russell is better or not than these other teams but based on numbers and record they deserve to be in poll.

Disagree.

 

Johnson Central gets beaten by Perry Central pretty handily and Rockcastle County shuts out that same Perry Central team. Without a doubt in my mind Rockcastle should be and deserves to be ranked higher than Johnson Central.

 

Poor Russell County probably deserves to be ranked but will have to beat Rockcastle County this Friday to earn a spot in the poll.

 

Handily, without taking anything away from Perry Central,where did you get this information? JC was only beaten by one score and had a 20-8 lead at one time in their first real test. I'm not saying JC is not over rated but Boyle very well may be too. Not knowing the make up of all the teams, I would still venture to say that JC starts and plays more freshmen, sophomores, and first year players than any other team on this list. They are getting better and will be a much dreaded team by the end of the season and for years to come.

I can say Russell County was close. Very close. I had them at #10. I think Russell County is the victim of scheduling teams they anticipated would be better than they turned out, such as Marion County, Pulaski County, and Whitley County. Last spring, this looked like a formidable schedule but no one expected them to be sub-.500 halfway through the season.

For the record, I happen to believe Russell County belongs in the top 10. Unfortunately, that's not my call to make. But if you would like to argue they belong, saying that you wish they would drop the names and just go by the records is a poor argument to make. Give me a chance to make a schedule, and I can almost assure you I can give you an undefeated record. Others choose to test themselves with good games and you would have me believe they don't belong above another team based solely on Won/Loss? I suppose you think Russell County is better than Boyle County and CovCath despite who those teams have beaten and who they lost to.

oNCE AGAIN NEVER SAID RUSSELL WAS A SUPERIOR TEAM TO ANY OF YOUR TOP TEN.....JUST BASED ON THE COMPARITIVE NUMBERS, THEY SHOULD BE IN POLL...IMO....Never once belittled you Dragonfire or made wild statements to try and make you look bad as you did me.

oNCE AGAIN NEVER SAID RUSSELL WAS A SUPERIOR TEAM TO ANY OF YOUR TOP TEN.....JUST BASED ON THE COMPARITIVE NUMBERS, THEY SHOULD BE IN POLL...IMO....Never once belittled you Dragonfire or made wild statements to try and make you look bad as you did me.

 

No, you just oozed sarcasm in your post. I apologize if I took it worse than you intended, but I will tell you your post did not hit me right.

 

I think you are missing the fundamental philosophy of these rankings and why I am telling you that records and simple win / loss comparisons won't cut it. When you say "I personally don't know if Russell is better or not than these other teams but based on numbers and record they deserve to be in poll.", you're running counter to what these rankings are all about. The belief is that the a team ranked lower would not be picked to beat anyone above them, and that a team ranked higher would be picked to beat anyone below them. Obviously, this is not always correct which is why there is movement in the rankings, and why you see movement in any set of rankings. But these teams are not just ranked because they've accumulated a certain criteria - the pollsters believe those are the true ten best teams and rate them accordingly.

 

The best example I can give you is 3A in 2009. Louisville Central started the year 1-5 but were rated #1 the entire time. The rankings never wavered. I'd hazard a guess that by your criteria they wouldn't be ranked at all. They finished the year 8-6, losing to eventual champion Paducah Tilghman in the semifinals by 3. Tilghman came absolutely out of nowhere to accomplish that, but Central was probably the second best team (or best team if you go by the best team doesn't always win).

 

I can't lay it out any better than that. For the pollsters to rank Russell County, they have to believe Russell County is better than at least one of those teams. Them being 6-0 is certainly going to have weight and give them consideration, but the record or records of opponents isn't everything. Sometimes it can be as simple as potential or a team with a big win, etc.

 

Also, for the record, I'm certainly not telling you not to discuss the rankings or debate why Russell County should be included, just that the argument you've put forth is not going to hold weight here.

No, you just oozed sarcasm in your post. I apologize if I took it worse than you intended, but I will tell you your post did not hit me right.

 

I think you are missing the fundamental philosophy of these rankings and why I am telling you that records and simple win / loss comparisons won't cut it. When you say "I personally don't know if Russell is better or not than these other teams but based on numbers and record they deserve to be in poll.", you're running counter to what these rankings are all about. The belief is that the a team ranked lower would not be picked to beat anyone above them, and that a team ranked higher would be picked to beat anyone below them. Obviously, this is not always correct which is why there is movement in the rankings, and why you see movement in any set of rankings. But these teams are not just ranked because they've accumulated a certain criteria - the pollsters believe those are the true ten best teams and rate them accordingly.

 

The best example I can give you is 3A in 2009. Louisville Central started the year 1-5 but were rated #1 the entire time. The rankings never wavered. I'd hazard a guess that by your criteria they wouldn't be ranked at all. They finished the year 8-6, losing to eventual champion Paducah Tilghman in the semifinals by 3. Tilghman came absolutely out of nowhere to accomplish that, but Central was probably the second best team (or best team if you go by the best team doesn't always win).

 

I can't lay it out any better than that. For the pollsters to rank Russell County, they have to believe Russell County is better than at least one of those teams. Them being 6-0 is certainly going to have weight and give them consideration, but the record or records of opponents isn't everything. Sometimes it can be as simple as potential or a team with a big win, etc.

 

Also, for the record, I'm certainly not telling you not to discuss the rankings or debate why Russell County should be included, just that the argument you've put forth is not going to hold weight here.

I understand the poll...Boise st is ranked in national polls based on record and numbers but i really don't know how many SEC teams they could beat.....one must base ones vote on name recognition or numbers and records......i prefer numbers and records....but to each his own......as others in this thread i think Russell should be ranked as they are in most other polls. I also didnt deserve the verbal attacks that you lashed out putting words in my mouth....you dont know me so you shouldn't say what i may think or say......save that for when i do say something really really off wall

Handily, without taking anything away from Perry Central,where did you get this information? JC was only beaten by one score and had a 20-8 lead at one time in their first real test. I'm not saying JC is not over rated but Boyle very well may be too. Not knowing the make up of all the teams, I would still venture to say that JC starts and plays more freshmen, sophomores, and first year players than any other team on this list. They are getting better and will be a much dreaded team by the end of the season and for years to come.

 

Boyle County may be overrated. Hard to tell considering the teams they have lost to. As I said earlier in this thread we will see exactly where Boyle County stands after Friday night.

 

My fault for handily statement. It was 36-28 correct? My apologies. The fact still stands that Rockcastle shut out the team that defeated JC and at this point should be ranked higher than them based off of that simple fact, IMO.

Boyle County may be overrated. Hard to tell considering the teams they have lost to. As I said earlier in this thread we will see exactly where Boyle County stands after Friday night.

 

My fault for handily statement. It was 36-28 correct? My apologies. The fact still stands that Rockcastle shut out the team that defeated JC and at this point should be ranked higher than them based off of that simple fact, IMO.

Based on the fact that Rockcastle shutout a team that beat JC, one would think your OPINION has validity. That is exactly what polls are, opinions and they don't mean a thing come friday night. Makes for some good conversation during slack time though.

Based on the fact that Rockcastle shutout a team that beat JC, one would think your OPINION has validity. That is exactly what polls are, opinions and they don't mean a thing come friday night. Makes for some good conversation during slack time though.

 

 

Absolutely. Guru asked agree or disagree. I chose disagree.

 

 

Good luck on Friday.:thumb: Lord knows my Rebels need it.

oNCE AGAIN NEVER SAID RUSSELL WAS A SUPERIOR TEAM TO ANY OF YOUR TOP TEN.....JUST BASED ON THE COMPARITIVE NUMBERS, THEY SHOULD BE IN POLL...IMO....

 

It's pretty simple, beat a quality team (like Rockcastle) and your team will be ranked. Lose and your team won't be ranked.

 

Still waiting for you to answer my question where you think they belong in the current rankings.

It's pretty simple, beat a quality team (like Rockcastle) and your team will be ranked. Lose and your team won't be ranked.

 

That's exactly the format Rockcastle County followed last week. Wasn't ranked, although undefeated. Went to Perry County Central and won. Now ranked. Russell County can do the same thing tonight.

While I dont always agree with the philosophy, it usually takes a Missouri approach for an up-and-comer to crack the BGP Top 10.