20 public high schools

9 Catholic high schools (3 all-boys, 4 all-girls)

Several other private schools ...

And when boys basketball is own by public school after public school, do you hear whining from the private schools? NO! Football is the dominant sport at some schools, basketball at others...rarely is one school blessed with that level of success in all sports.

 

Would you agree that this is just more than an issue over FOOTBALL. After i thought this was about all sports. So lets look at all sports. So far this year the KHSAA has given 15 state titles this year and 9 of those have been won by privates schools. That is a 60% of the titles given out this year have went to privates. So they must have close to the same number of schools, Right? Wrong! There are only 45 privates schools in the state of Kentucky and 9 so far this year have won state titles then that means 20% of privates have won a state title this year. Since 9 of the 15 titles were won by privates that mean that 6 were won by public schools right. So that is a 40% of the states giving this year were won by publics. Now when you consider than only 6 out of 223 publics have won state titles this year that gives you 3%. The reason that most ppl are talking about FOOTBALL right now is that is the only primary sport that has been completed this year. But even the percents in football are alarming but have been told a number of times the year so im not going to give those. Like many ppl have said this is much more than just about football but is about ALL sports so lets start think about that instead of just saying well the publics dominate basketball. If im not mistaken Lex. Catholic has not done to shabby in the past on the hard court and Girls Basketball is totally dominated by private schools, Sacred Heart, Assumption, and Lexington Catholic. Maybe it is just the way you all train and discipline you kids to succeed in athletics. Maybe you should consider making a video like Tom Emanski did for baseball that way we can all be on a level playing field with.

 

And yes Scooterbob i do agree percents are a big deal and would you agree that a 20% chance of living is a MUCH greater chance than a 3% would be.

Funny thing about this argument, and honestly none of it is actually funny, is that SOME on the private school side immediately attacked people for supporting this at the beginning as not working hard enough or just being in programs that don't win. Now that the players who are supporting Prop 20 have come out and it is such coaches as Danville's and Boyle County's, that argument is never mentioned again. And for SOME, all they can resort to is calling people names, such as "whiner."

 

When you resort to this tactic, you do NOT help your side of the argument. If you can join in with good points that make people think about the debate, it would be best to not join in at all.

And when boys basketball is own by public school after public school, do you hear whining from the private schools? NO! Football is the dominant sport at some schools, basketball at others...rarely is one school blessed with that level of success in all sports.

And yet as Sam Harp's comments pointed out one school has had that success. Lexington Catholic.

Funny thing about this argument, and honestly none of it is actually funny, is that SOME on the private school side immediately attacked people for supporting this at the beginning as not working hard enough or just being in programs that don't win. Now that the players who are supporting Prop 20 have come out and it is such coaches as Danville's and Boyle County's, that argument is never mentioned again. And for SOME, all they can resort to is calling people names, such as "whiner."

 

When you resort to this tactic, you do NOT help your side of the argument. If you can join in with good points that make people think about the debate, it would be best to not join in at all.

 

I cannot understand how the Danville football and track coach continue to "harp" on private school advantages. The private football team that won Danville's class (NCC) doesn't have a field and their practice field is a baseball field with one goal post, and the private track team that usually wins Class A (Bishop Brossart) doesn't even have a track. So could they list the disadvantages they (Danville) has when competing against those teams?

I cannot understand how the Danville football and track coach continue to "harp" on private school advantages. The private football team that won Danville's class (NCC) doesn't have a field and their practice field is a baseball field with one goal post, and the private track team that usually wins Class A (Bishop Brossart) doesn't even have a track. So could they list the disadvantages they (Danville) has when competing against those teams?

That would be good information to have. If any BGP poster is from the Danville area, that would be a great piece of information for you to post.

 

I was impressed with NCC's success after recently reading in the KY Post that they did not have a home field.

 

I wonder if BB has some sort of deal with Campbell County in using the track at Campbell County middle school. Does anyone know if BB uses that track? It is less than a mile from their school.

That would be good information to have. If any BGP poster is from the Danville area, that would be a great piece of information for you to post.

 

I was impressed with NCC's success after recently reading in the KY Post that they did not have a home field.

 

I wonder if BB has some sort of deal with Campbell County in using the track at Campbell County middle school. Does anyone know if BB uses that track? It is less than a mile from their school.

 

I believe Bishop Brossart uses whatever track they can including CC's but like other schools that do not have a track (NCC, Holy Cross) mostly they use a parking lot.

 

I think Sam Harp's comments are mostly directed towards Trinity, X, and LexCath but he lumps ALL private schools together. I can only assume (since he never spells it out) that he means the facilities and financial backing is better for sports at those 3 schools. And it is. Good for them. Some public schools have better facilities and financial backing than other public schools. Good for them too.

 

However, Sam needs a reality trip to NKY. The private schools here have worse facilities than public schools as a whole and the independent city schools aren't all that great either compared to the county schools.

 

One wonders if Sam's Danville football squad had to move practice the week of the state championship game to another schools field because their practice field was unplayable, and then could only practice for 80 minutes each day because of no lights while his opponent did not have to do the same.....would he still think private schools have "advantages".

I believe Bishop Brossart uses whatever track they can including CC's but like other schools that do not have a track (NCC, Holy Cross) mostly they use a parking lot.

 

I think Sam Harp's comments are mostly directed towards Trinity, X, and LexCath but he lumps ALL private schools together. I can only assume (since he never spells it out) that he means the facilities and financial backing is better for sports at those 3 schools. And it is. Good for them. Some public schools have better facilities and financial backing than other public schools. Good for them too.

 

However, Sam needs a reality trip to NKY. The private schools here have worse facilities than public schools as a whole and the independent city schools aren't all that great either compared to the county schools.

 

One wonders if Sam's Danville football squad had to move practice the week of the state championship game to another schools field because their practice field was unplayable, and then could only practice for 80 minutes each day because of no lights while his opponent did not have to do the same.....would he still think private schools have "advantages".

And yet even those programs have advantages over some of the rural programs. Our football program started practicing in someone's side yard. Our tennis team had to drive 30 minutes in ONE direction to find a court they could PRACTICE on.

 

Whatever side of the argument you are on, I think we all can agree that the HS programs in the state do not all come from the same background and there are advantages for some programs. Some of those programs are private schools, the ones you mentioned and some are publics, how many schools would have the financial support to put down artificial turf on their football field as Highlands recently had done?

 

There are advantages and disadvantages. Some see it as privates/publics but honestly it is more than just that. Independents have advantages over rural counties. Any classification might not need to be done on SIZE but on other factors. City School classification. Rural County classification. I dunno. Just an idea to somehow let kids compete against kids that are similar to them. I am not sure if a 14, 15, 16 year kids is where the realities of life should be learned.

And yet even those programs have advantages over some of the rural programs. Our football program started practicing in someone's side yard. Our tennis team had to drive 30 minutes in ONE direction to find a court they could PRACTICE on.

 

Whatever side of the argument you are on, I think we all can agree that the HS programs in the state do not all come from the same background and there are advantages for some programs. Some of those programs are private schools, the ones you mentioned and some are publics, how many schools would have the financial support to put down artificial turf on their football field as Highlands recently had done?

 

There are advantages and disadvantages. Some see it as privates/publics but honestly it is more than just that. Independents have advantages over rural counties. Any classification might not need to be done on SIZE but on other factors. City School classification. Rural County classification. I dunno. Just an idea to somehow let kids compete against kids that are similar to them. I am not sure if a 14, 15, 16 year kids is where the realities of life should be learned.

 

 

I agree with a lot of what you have said but the only focus to "level the playing field" seems to involve Private/ Public split.

 

Hey, here's news for the public school guys. Next year when they roll out the volleyballs nobody (not private schools, not independent schools, not county schools) is probably going to beat Assumption unless it is Sacred Heart or Mercy. Now it is easy to say they are private schools, they have "an advatage."

It is hard to say gosh they start playing volleyball in the third grade, they have 80% of girls play in grade school, they all play on the best club volleyball teams in the country, they have huge amounts of girls try out, they have huge booster/fan support at matches, they have great coaches.

 

So next year we will hear "public schools can't compete in volleyball" when in reality it is no school and we know why, but it is just easier to kick them out.

Excellent article in my opinion.

Funny thing about this argument, and honestly none of it is actually funny, is that SOME on the private school side immediately attacked people for supporting this at the beginning as not working hard enough or just being in programs that don't win. Now that the players who are supporting Prop 20 have come out and it is such coaches as Danville's and Boyle County's, that argument is never mentioned again. And for SOME, all they can resort to is calling people names, such as "whiner."

 

When you resort to this tactic, you do NOT help your side of the argument. If you can join in with good points that make people think about the debate, it would be best to not join in at all.

 

 

I agree with what you're saying, but I feel that I and some others have offered very solid evidence to support why most privates are so successful....the grade school leagues (which apparently are not deemed a worthy reason by most), tradition (generations attending, etc), alumni support, family involvement, etc.

 

Why are those points not perceived as credible? Why is it that few can look beyond their bias to see what we are saying? I admit freely that we have some advantages, but on the flipside, so do public schools. To say that something like grade school leagues are insignificant in the private school success leads me to believe that those who eschew them have made up their mind, and will simply not hear what privates have to say to defend themselves.

And what would your suggestion be to this situation? To continue to leave things the way they are and let St. X and Trintiy continue to trade state titles like they have for the last 10 years. Their is alot to be considered on this issue and its easy to say their is no issue when you know that your taking other schools best players and going to be in the state title game every year. The fact is you know NOTHING about what its like to be on the other side. I just wonder if you would feel the same way if you attended a school like maybe Meade County.

 

 

I don't understand why Public school officals won't accept the fact that ever private school program works harder than a "majority" of the public school programs. Not all but a majority.

 

It has more to do with student and parent interest than anything.

 

I home Sam Harp is there for these students when those same private school students beat them out for jobs in the real world also.

NO but i do know this 3 of the 4 state titles giving out this year in football were to privates. Already this year 9 of the 15 state titles giving out in all sports have been giving to privates. Say that you dont have an advantage of some type if you would like. But the obvious is the obvious when you only have 12 privates schools competing in the playoffs and 5 of those 12 make it to the finals while only 2 were defeated by publics its easy to be satisfied with the current system isnt it. After all Trinity does have their fair share of sucess in football i hear.

So why was it not a big deal 20 years ago when privates won no state titles.

 

Why is it public school officals want us to lose so bad. All we will let the private schools play with us, but when they dare think they are allowed to actually start winning , well we will kick them out. We don't want are poor public school children to understand how the real world works.

I cannot understand how the Danville football and track coach continue to "harp" on private school advantages. The private football team that won Danville's class (NCC) doesn't have a field and their practice field is a baseball field with one goal post, and the private track team that usually wins Class A (Bishop Brossart) doesn't even have a track. So could they list the disadvantages they (Danville) has when competing against those teams?

Good point.

 

While private schools dominate both Class A track and Cross country. Not a single one in NKY have their own track to run on. Until Covington Holy Cross's sport complex opens next year.

All I know is schools like Dixie,Holmes,Ryle,Boone,Scott, and SK all have better facility's than private schools in NKY.