I wouldn't know, I'm waiting to hear it.

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Yes. It's also funny it was being discussed that Biden called people terrorists before a discussion began about all of the outward racism against Obama from Buchanan, Antosca, Davenport and Lamborn was brought up. I'd rather be called a terrorist than be called any of the many racial epithets you can choose from. It is one thing to disagree with Obama's policies, ideals, performance and beliefs but these are incidents of out and out racism. Biden was wrong to label those folks terrorists but these other incidents about Obama seem to show that repubs don't respect the man because of his race. If they say these things in public I can only imagine what they say amongst one another privately. We have seen one email about he and his family that slipped out. I am sure there are others.

let's look at the claims.

 

Maybe, just maybe Obama's civility speech was meant for Joe Wilson(called Obama a liar during healthcare speech), Pat Buchanan(called Obama 'your boy' when talking to Al Sharpton), Nick Antosca(called Obama 'boy), Marilyn Davenport(Obama chimpanzee email) and David Lamborn(referenced Obama to a tar baby).

 

Say what you want about Bush being disrespected in office. The level of disrespect and the racial connotations in that disrespect towards Obama is troubling. Especially from a bunch of men and women who should know better.

You lie = racism? Since when?

 

Your boy - Now, that's a term I've used for years and years, but now, since Obama is in office, it has to be racist. That's a stretch.

 

Nick Antosca is a writer, I believe. When did he call Obama a boy? Who even uses that term in 2011 as a derogatory term for a black man. Gotta say, I haven't heard that one in at least 20 years.

 

The chimpanzee email, I'll give you, flat out stupid.

 

Tar baby - this is another stretch by the left to make it look like a disparaging comment. I realize it's a term that's been used in the past toward blacks, however, the term has been around forever and really means “something from which it is nearly impossible to extricate oneself" as defined in Merriam-Webster’s dictionary. I seriously doubt the man was saying it to be racist. If it's proven other wise, I'll admit I'm wrong. But everything that gets said about Obama people are looking to make it a racist slur, heck, every time someone disagrees with Obama too many people claim it's because he's black. It's absurd.

 

Here is Lamborn's quote, it seems rater obvious he's using the term as described by Merriam-Webster.

 

“I don’t even want to have to be associated with him. It’s like touching a tar baby, and you get it — you know, you’re stuck, and you’re part of the problem now, and you can’t get away,” Lamborn said. “I don’t want that to happen to us (Republicans), but if it does, or not, he’ll still get — properly so — the blame, because his policies, for four years, will have failed the American people.”

Count me among those who think a poor choice of words was used.

 

But did he call them terrorists or did he say they were acting like terrorists? Subtle but significant difference.

He said they were acting like terrorists, I don't see where it's significant. The fact that a Vice President would say it, that's significant.

let's look at the claims.

 

You lie = racism? Since when?

 

Your boy - Now, that's a term I've used for years and years, but now, since Obama is in office, it has to be racist. That's a stretch.

 

Nick Antosca is a writer, I believe. When did he call Obama a boy? Who even uses that term in 2011 as a derogatory term for a black man. Gotta say, I haven't heard that one in at least 20 years.

 

The chimpanzee email, I'll give you, flat out stupid.

 

Tar baby - this is another stretch by the left to make it look like a disparaging comment. I realize it's a term that's been used in the past toward blacks, however, the term has been around forever and really means “something from which it is nearly impossible to extricate oneself" as defined in Merriam-Webster’s dictionary. I seriously doubt the man was saying it to be racist. If it's proven other wise, I'll admit I'm wrong. But everything that gets said about Obama people are looking to make it a racist slur, heck, every time someone disagrees with Obama too many people claim it's because he's black. It's absurd.

 

Here is Lamborn's quote, it seems rater obvious he's using the term as described by Merriam-Webster.

 

“I don’t even want to have to be associated with him. It’s like touching a tar baby, and you get it — you know, you’re stuck, and you’re part of the problem now, and you can’t get away,” Lamborn said. “I don’t want that to happen to us (Republicans), but if it does, or not, he’ll still get — properly so — the blame, because his policies, for four years, will have failed the American people.”

 

The 'you lie' from Wilson falls under the disrespect part in my sentence of 'disrespect and racial connotations'. Not once did I say Wilson was being racist. He was disrespectful and lacked civility by saying 'you lie' during Obama's speech.

 

The word 'boy' when used by a white person to address or describe a grown black man is racist. Has been my whole life and will continue to be. For Obama to be addressed as 'boy' or even 'your boy' comes off as racist to me. Why did Buchanan apologize if no harm was meant? Because it appears racist that's why. Who uses the word 'boy' in 2011. Obviously folks who choose to disparage a grown black man who happens to president. Can they not find a more articulate manner to talk about him without being racially insulting? Even if they aren't being racial are they not smart enough to speak about Obama without using the word 'boy' in it? I can articulate my disgust with Bush and Cheney without giving the slightest racial insult about them. I think everybody over the age of 35 UNDERSTANDS that regardless of your intent when you use the word 'boy' to describe a grown black man it appears to be used in a racist manner. When did that change?

 

Now, the tar baby thing is spoken right when taken literally and for a brief nanosecond I didn't think it was too bad but let's be real....when have the words tar baby been used other than in its derogatory form? I mean if we are pulling out Webster's dictionary definitions here then I should be able use and say the word that means 'ignorant person' without getting suspended on here. But I can't because both words and terms are known more for derogatory meaning than their Webster's dictionary meanings. Whether Lamborn means anything racial or not it is completely irresponsible on his part to associate Obama with a tar baby. He has to be smarter than that. Lamborn could have all of the answers for the economy but I won't listen because I am going to believe Lamborn is disagreeing with Obama's skin color and not his brain because he had to use the words tar baby to make a point about Obama. If he isn't smart enough to refrain from that how can he be smart enough to fix anything?

 

I also can't listen to people who say that anyone who disagrees with Obama is racist. I know that isn't true. I also hate when people pull the race card about any and everything. These people I mentioned may not be racist but their words give them the appearance that they are or could be. I am just trying to see if you can understand why people such as myself would think they are. They have been really irresponsible in their choice of words when talking about Obama. That is the main point I am trying to make.

^So my buddy who refers to most everyone as "boy" is a racist? Good to know.

^So my buddy who refers to most everyone as "boy" is a racist? Good to know.

 

Tell him to say it to a grown black man over 35 and find out.

^So my buddy who refers to most everyone as "boy" is a racist? Good to know.

That's what I was wondering. I can see the argument on tar baby but "your boy"? Give me a break. I use that all the time. "I saw your boy the other day" when talking to a friend about seeing someone he knows. If he called Obama a boy then maybe I could understand but to say "he's your boy" is racist is beyond ridiculous.

^So my buddy who refers to most everyone as "boy" is a racist? Good to know.

 

Of course he isn't if that's how he talks to most people. I know many like that myself and am still referred that way by some of my elder relatives, and I'm in my mid fifties. However, your friend will be perceived as a racist in some circumstances no matter how innocent his words are meant. We all should be aware of how our words are received.

The 'you lie' from Wilson falls under the disrespect part in my sentence of 'disrespect and racial connotations'. Not once did I say Wilson was being racist. He was disrespectful and lacked civility by saying 'you lie' during Obama's speech. Ok, sure, it's disrespectful, it also happened before the civility speech. There's also been no shortage of disrespect for every past president, so this isn't something new because it's Obama. It also isn't calling a representative or congressman a terrorist.

 

The word 'boy' when used by a white person to address or describe a grown black man is racist. Has been my whole life and will continue to be. For Obama to be addressed as 'boy' or even 'your boy' comes off as racist to me. Why did Buchanan apologize if no harm was meant? Because it appears racist that's why. Who uses the word 'boy' in 2011. Obviously folks who choose to disparage a grown black man who happens to president. Can they not find a more articulate manner to talk about him without being racially insulting? Even if they aren't being racial are they not smart enough to speak about Obama without using the word 'boy' in it? I can articulate my disgust with Bush and Cheney without giving the slightest racial insult about them. I think everybody over the age of 35 UNDERSTANDS that regardless of your intent when you use the word 'boy' to describe a grown black man it appears to be used in a racist manner. When did that change? I'm sorry, but that's baloney. Its only racist because you want it to be. Now, I realize it can be disparaging, yes. BUT, every time it's used just because someone is black does not mean its racist, that's ridiculous. Buchanan apologized because people made such a big deal about it, people that wanted to make it into something it wasn't. He also said he didn't intend it that way, but I guess that doesn't matter since in your opinion, you know what's in his heart and it HAD to be racist.

 

Now, the tar baby thing is spoken right when taken literally and for a brief nanosecond I didn't think it was too bad but let's be real....when have the words tar baby been used other than in its derogatory form? I mean if we are pulling out Webster's dictionary definitions here then I should be able use and say the word that means 'ignorant person' without getting suspended on here. But I can't because both words and terms are known more for derogatory meaning than their Webster's dictionary meanings. Whether Lamborn means anything racial or not it is completely irresponsible on his part to associate Obama with a tar baby. He has to be smarter than that. Lamborn could have all of the answers for the economy but I won't listen because I am going to believe Lamborn is disagreeing with Obama's skin color and not his brain because he had to use the words tar baby to make a point about Obama. If he isn't smart enough to refrain from that how can he be smart enough to fix anything? I've heard the term tar baby in it's literal form countless times over the years. In fact, there's a restaurant in Myrtle Beach named Tar Baby's, been there forever, no one seems to have a problem with it. Why? Because it's not meant to degrade anyone. You can't say the word that means 'ignorant person' on here because the word filter can't think, it can't decipher. You're intelligent and can. I've talked with you about quite a few diffident topics on here, politically we don't usually agree, and that's ok. But I think you're better than to take one comment like that and say you won't listen to anything he has to say now, especially when you're just jumping to a conclusion when it was obvious he didn't mean it as a racial slur. You're making a huge leap by claiming Lamborn is disagreeing with Obama's skin color and not his brain because he used the words tar baby.

 

I also can't listen to people who say that anyone who disagrees with Obama is racist. I know that isn't true. I also hate when people pull the race card about any and everything. These people I mentioned may not be racist but their words give them the appearance that they are or could be. I am just trying to see if you can understand why people such as myself would think they are. They have been really irresponsible in their choice of words when talking about Obama. That is the main point I am trying to make.I can understand why you might think that at first. But like I said, you're a bright guy, you have to realize that even if you at first think it sounds racist, it doesn't mean it IS racist. Try to realize that sometimes, an anecdote has nothing to do with skin color even if your first thought leans that way.

 

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Pretty heavy conversation we're having PurplePride92, I need a beer! :lol: If you ever find yourself in NKY, look me up. I'd love to buy you a few rounds and talk a while. You seem like a pretty cool guy. :thumb:

Of course he isn't if that's how he talks to most people. I know many like that myself and am still referred that way by some of my elder relatives, and I'm in my mid fifties. However, your friend will be perceived as a racist in some circumstances no matter how innocent his words are meant. We all should be aware of how our words are received.

I work with a black guy that calls his best friend "his boy". He says it all the time.

When I refer to him and another one of the young guys there as "the boys", he never takes offense, my guess is because he knows me well enough to know I mean no offense.

That's what I was wondering. I can see the argument on tar baby but "your boy"? Give me a break. I use that all the time. "I saw your boy the other day" when talking to a friend about seeing someone he knows. If he called Obama a boy then maybe I could understand but to say "he's your boy" is racist is beyond ridiculous.

In the context it was used in, I can't.

In the context it was used in, I can't.

I agree but think it was a poor choice of words considering the history.

Of course he isn't if that's how he talks to most people. I know many like that myself and am still referred that way by some of my elder relatives, and I'm in my mid fifties. However, your friend will be perceived as a racist in some circumstances no matter how innocent his words are meant. We all should be aware of how our words are received.

 

Exactly my point.

I agree but think it was a poor choice of words considering the history.

 

That's my whole point. The people using these words know better.

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Pretty heavy conversation we're having PurplePride92, I need a beer! :lol: If you ever find yourself in NKY, look me up. I'd love to buy you a few rounds and talk a while. You seem like a pretty cool guy. :thumb:

 

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Will do. I'd enjoy a conversation with you as well. Especially over beer. You coming down my way for the Boyle/Highlands game?