formerkywrestler Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 2B is at worst a toss up, if not an advantage for the Reds. SS is advantage Reds. Renteria is definitely better than Bentancourt. CF is a MASSIVE advantage for the Reds. I look for Stubbs to have a huge breakout year. RF is at worst a toss up. Bruce is starting to put it together. I'll take the upside in this particular match-up. I'll give you SS, I forgot about Renteria. I'm not putting CF as a MASSIVE advantage until he comes close to doing it. But I do agree on the huge breakout for Stubbs. I think putting 2B as a slight advantage shows how close it really is. And I think RF is at worse a slight advantage for the Brewers. Lots of close match-ups between the two teams IMHO. As I said, I think the line-ups are close enough where it's a matter of taste. I never said the Brewers had a huge advantage, if any in this department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmderringer10 Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 I'll give you SS, I forgot about Renteria. I'm not putting CF as a MASSIVE advantage until he comes close to doing it. But I do agree on the huge breakout for Stubbs. I think putting 2B as a slight advantage shows how close it really is. And I think RF is at worse a slight advantage for the Brewers. Lots of close match-ups between the two teams IMHO. As I said, I think the line-ups are close enough where it's a matter of taste. I never said the Brewers had a huge advantage, if any in this department. How is CF not a huge advantage for the Reds? Stubbs had 22 HR's and 30 SB's in his rookie year. What has Carlos Gomez ever done in his three full seasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerTime Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Arroyo had 21 out of 33 starts that were QS's. Cueto had 18 of 31 QS's. Gallardo had 17 out of 31, and Marcum had 20 out of 31. They all seem pretty darn similar to me. Your acting like he is a scrub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerkywrestler Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 How is CF not a huge advantage for the Reds? Stubbs had 22 HR's and 30 SB's in his rookie year. What has Carlos Gomez ever done in his three full seasons? Suck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerTime Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Help me to see the light then, cause I ain't a seein' it over here. Bullpen ERA last year... Reds- 3.97 Brewers- 4.48 Have you seen the light? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKMustangFan Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Your acting like he is a scrub. No, just not the stud #1 ace you all are making him out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerkywrestler Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Bullpen ERA last year... Reds- 3.97 Brewers- 4.48 Have you seen the light? Honestly, no. A lot of the Brewers bullpen came up during the season, Hawkins missed the majority of the season, they added Saito...the bullpen is a lot different than the one responsible for a lot of that ERA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capernicus41 Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 I can't believe Greinke is getting all this love. I would argue that Marcum might be the best pitcher on their staff come years end. Why are people worried about the Brewers pitching staff and not the Cardinals? Cardinals, on paper, have a better staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerTime Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 ^ That didn't seem to matter last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capernicus41 Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 ^ That didn't seem to matter last year. So why does adding a pitcher who isn't as good as Wainwright or Carpenter make the Brewers the favorites? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKMustangFan Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 So why does adding a pitcher who isn't as good as Wainwright or Carpenter make the Brewers the favorites? They're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capernicus41 Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 They're not. I agree, I'm just asking the people who think the Brewers are the favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habib Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 I think Greinke is a little overrated, but if he pitches like he has before he would be the ace on just about any team. Marcum is tough but I'm skeptical that he is the pitcher he used to be. Gallardo is still figuring things out and isn't reliably dominate, depending on the growth of the Reds' young guys it's hard to say he's unequivocally better. And the Red's have a long list of young, talented guys fighting to get into the rotation. The Brewers have Narveson and Wolf. So I think the Brewer's staff is a bit more of a gamble than some people believe, but it absolutely has the potential to be a monster. With that said, I still see the Cards as the division favorites. The Reds will have to battle to repeat, but they've got the potential to even exceed last year's performance if the young guys grow like we expect them to and if the Reds can avoid any peril at third base. I don't know that Rolen can keep it up or that Francisco is ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerTime Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 So why does adding a pitcher who isn't as good as Wainwright or Carpenter make the Brewers the favorites? Why does doing nothing make the Cards the favorite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capernicus41 Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Why does doing nothing make the Cards the favorite? The Cardinals did do something, just not to their pitching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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