Well lets see 6 million more people than Kentucky...Larger Metro areas with larger populations. Lots more private schools. So that could be a watered down considering who you are playing. Kentucky has five serious private schools St X , Trinity, Highlands and Cov Cath and Lex Cath and the last two have been unable to get some good looks at some area middle school kids of late thats why the last few seasons have been down, but still good teams. You can't compare KY to Ohio because there is no comparison. I do believe that they need to rotate the playoff matchups. You can work very hard... your only as good as your talent. Just ask the big boys. Take a Ryle, Simon Kenton, Scott Co. Male, Henry Clay, you got the real good six players. The other guys has got the real good 15 players and they sure didn't go there because of the good woodworking class. There is no doubt those kids bust their but at those private schools. The public schools work hard also. In Kentucky we just dont have the talent in the public school system. It takes an extremelly talented class to bring down the big boys. You can argue all day....Ky and Ohio football they cannot be compared.

Yeah.... I said Highlands....

 

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Well lets see 6 million more people than Kentucky...Larger Metro areas with larger populations. Lots more private schools. So that could be a watered down considering who you are playing. Kentucky has five serious private schools St X , Trinity, Highlands and Cov Cath and Lex Cath and the last two have been unable to get some good looks at some area middle school kids of late thats why the last few seasons have been down, but still good teams. You can't compare KY to Ohio because there is no comparison. I do believe that they need to rotate the playoff matchups. You can work very hard... your only as good as your talent. Just ask the big boys. Take a Ryle, Simon Kenton, Scott Co. Male, Henry Clay, you got the real good six players. The other guys has got the real good 15 players and they sure didn't go there because of the good woodworking class. There is no doubt those kids bust their but at those private schools. The public schools work hard also. In Kentucky we just dont have the talent in the public school system. It takes an extremelly talented class to bring down the big boys. You can argue all day....Ky and Ohio football they cannot be compared.

Yeah.... I said Highlands....

 

The rotation (that only goes on in 6A!) is another, possibly illegal, act by KHSAA of gerrymandering the system in an arbitrary and capricious manner to reward or penalize schools. There is no objective reason for this rotation function to happen. The limiting of 1A and 6A to 32 schools is also extremely arbitrary and contrived. Comparing Kentucky's gerrymandered, rigged up, back-room contrived playoff system to Ohio or any other state is somewhat silly. If you want a model for Kentucky, look at Indiana not Ohio. Kentucky could easily replicate the core of the Indiana system and get all teams into the playoffs, crown a number of true regional or sectional champions and still have a solid playoff system.

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Could not be said any better....thanks. Trinity and St X have nothing to do with community its a network. The community meaning the whole city of Louisville because they do not have a district per say. Once again I have nothing bad to say about any of the schools because its where I go to see good football. It is what it is. The KHSAA sets the rules and we must abide by them. How many chances to do a Ryle or Scott Co get this chance. Very few chances and the communities are supportive and they teams work hard. Maybe one of the worst St X teams in the last ten years didnt have much problem with the the city of Louisville. Its just another whole level that the public schools in Kentucky cant create.

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Could not be said any better....thanks. Trinity and St X have nothing to do with community its a network. The community meaning the whole city of Louisville because they do not have a district per say. Once again I have nothing bad to say about any of the schools because its where I go to see good football. It is what it is. The KHSAA sets the rules and we must abide by them. How many chances to do a Ryle or Scott Co get this chance. Very few chances and the communities are supportive and they teams work hard. Maybe one of the worst St X teams in the last ten years didnt have much problem with the the city of Louisville. Its just another whole level that the public schools in Kentucky cant create.

 

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Nowhere in this definition does it say that a community has to be some narrowly defined small locality. You're making excuses. And to whine about Scott County's perceived disadvantages in football is awful disingenuous when you consider how the hoops program is run there.

 

It really comes down to the fact that the folks in Scott Co. care more about basketball than they do football. Quit blaming Trinity and St. X for your own shortcomings, and get folks to invest in the football program at the same level they do the hoops program.

 

And yes, those folks at the Louisville public schools can create it if they bother to worry about their school once they've graduated.

Could not be said any better....thanks. Trinity and St X have nothing to do with community its a network. The community meaning the whole city of Louisville because they do not have a district per say. Once again I have nothing bad to say about any of the schools because its where I go to see good football. It is what it is. The KHSAA sets the rules and we must abide by them. How many chances to do a Ryle or Scott Co get this chance. Very few chances and the communities are supportive and they teams work hard. Maybe one of the worst St X teams in the last ten years didnt have much problem with the the city of Louisville. Its just another whole level that the public schools in Kentucky cant create.

I don't think Jim is agreeing with you at all in his linked post. You seem to be rehashing the same old arguments about unfair advantages, public/private inequities, and KHSAA failings.

 

Jim, on the other hand, is espousing the idea that a team is only as good as the prople around it. He's saying that it's all about community involvement...parental involvement...and administrative support. As his examples showed, it has little to do with where a team is from, whether they are private or public, or the economic condition of the surrounding community.

Nowhere in this definition does it say that a community has to be some narrowly defined small locality. You're making excuses. And to whine about Scott County's perceived disadvantages in football is awful disingenuous when you consider how the hoops program is run there.

 

It really comes down to the fact that the folks in Scott Co. care more about basketball than they do football. Quit blaming Trinity and St. X for your own shortcomings, and get folks to invest in the football program at the same level they do the hoops program.

 

And yes, those folks at the Louisville public schools can create it if they bother to worry about their school once they've graduated.

Sorry Batman. I should have stayed in the Batmobile and let you handle this.

I don't think Jim is agreeing with you at all in his linked post. You seem to be rehashing the same old arguments about unfair advantages, public/private inequities, and KHSAA failings.

 

Jim, on the other hand, is espousing the idea that a team is only as good as the prople around it. He's saying that it's all about community involvement...parental involvement...and administrative support. As his examples showed, it has little to do with where a team is from, whether they are private or public, or the economic condition of the surrounding community.

 

Birdsfan do you agree with Jim and do you believe the that the public schools are their own problem. Jim talks about econmic situation. The problem is I can't afford to send my son there and I want to. So you do not think Scott Co or Ryle support your team. You are setting there making excuses for the private schools. So let me see if I get this, so you are saying that I am making excuses and I am whineing about Scott County's perceived disadvantages in football is awful disingenuous when you consider how the hoops program is run there. So your are saying that St X and Trinity are running their programs like Scott Co basketball and thats OK. So maybe if the Grant Co and Dayton basketball communities get behind their team they would be better. Just look at what your saying and look at the whole picture.

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I kissed a girl and I liked it too.

Birdsfan do you agree with Jim and do you believe the that the public schools are their own problem. Jim talks about econmic situation. The problem is I can't afford to send my son there and I want to. So you do not think Scott Co or Ryle support your team. You are setting there making excuses for the private schools. So let me see if I get this, so you are saying that I am making excuses and I am whineing about Scott County's perceived disadvantages in football is awful disingenuous when you consider how the hoops program is run there. So your are saying that St X and Trinity are running their programs like Scott Co basketball and thats OK. So maybe if the Grant Co and Dayton basketball communities get behind their team they would be better. Just look at what your saying and look at the whole picture.

 

I was at a football game at Scott Co. a couple weeks ago. A playoff game. The stands were about 1/4 filled on the home side, if that. And that's for a team that won their district and was on a long winning streak at that point (which has since continued for the regional champ Cardinals).

 

My point is if folks supported football the way they do basketball at Scott Co. -- and that applies to most every other school in the state -- they would have more of a chance against the Trinitys and St. Xs of the world.

 

I've been to a number of basketball games at Scott Co., and the gym's always packed, even when the Cardinals play garbage teams they should beat by 40. The football games I've gone to at Scott Co. have been much less than packed. The fans at Scott Co. clearly care more about hoops than football, but McKee (and Scott Co. fans) would rather call out the private schools than demand local fans get more involved with their football program.

 

And yes, if folks in Grant Co. and Dayton would support their football programs more, they could be better (and prevent their talented football players from fleeing to a school where the folks actually care about football). Community support always leads to improved play by the sports teams.

So let me see if I get this, so you are saying that I am making excuses and I am whineing about Scott County's perceived disadvantages in football is awful disingenuous when you consider how the hoops program is run there. So your are saying that St X and Trinity are running their programs like Scott Co basketball and thats OK. So maybe if the Grant Co and Dayton basketball communities get behind their team they would be better. Just look at what your saying and look at the whole picture.

Now you're gettin' it! :thumb:

I was at a football game at Scott Co. a couple weeks ago. A playoff game. The stands were about 1/4 filled on the home side, if that. And that's for a team that won their district and was on a long winning streak at that point (which has since continued for the regional champ Cardinals).

 

My point is if folks supported football the way they do basketball at Scott Co. -- and that applies to most every other school in the state -- they would have more of a chance against the Trinitys and St. Xs of the world.

 

I've been to a number of basketball games at Scott Co., and the gym's always packed, even when the Cardinals play garbage teams they should beat by 40. The football games I've gone to at Scott Co. have been much less than packed. The fans at Scott Co. clearly care more about hoops than football, but McKee (and Scott Co. fans) would rather call out the private schools than demand local fans get more involved with their football program.

 

And yes, if folks in Grant Co. and Dayton would support their football programs more, they could be better (and prevent their talented football players from fleeing to a school where the folks actually care about football). Community support always leads to improved play by the sports teams.

Is that pretty much your scenario for all sports. We will continue to use Scott County as the example because you guys seem to like this school so much. Since these schools the Trinitys and the St X are much better is because of their desire to win and the support the parents and alumni and their edge to attract players who wish to be on succeccful programs. So the transfers that Scott County had over the years may be the choice of parents wanting to get their kids in a program that has had success over the years and have the support of the community and the fan support. This has made the parents leave their old schools because they are unhappy. Because I would like to see if the Behanen to Bowling Green and Price and Kimbro to Jtown and Zollo to Clark and of course the transfers Scott Co got two years ago are ok. So it could be the schools were not up to par as far as their support of their team and that was why they left. I dont think the Scott co school system is hurting for money. They seem to have alot of community support. I really see why kids transfer go to Lex cath or Scott Co. Fayette co midddle school sports may be the worst in the state. So is basketball and football under the same scenario you used.

This is good to iron out. I have most of the beliefs you do. It just seems that not everyone treats both sports the same. So is a kid moving to a private school to play football any different that a kid tranferring to school to play basketball if both examples are legit. I love your post Jim....it allways seems to get things rolling.

I was at a football game at Scott Co. a couple weeks ago. A playoff game. The stands were about 1/4 filled on the home side, if that. And that's for a team that won their district and was on a long winning streak at that point (which has since continued for the regional champ Cardinals).

 

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Any thought on the impact of the UK basketball games that have been played the last 3 Friday nights? When UK basketball is playing the crowd seem down at HS football - at least in the Bluegrass counties since so many people have season tickets. It would seem UK did not do any of the local HS any favors playing 3 Fridays in row during playoff season.

Basketball? Who cares? This is a football thread and how Scott Co. FOOTBALL operates.