Someone who doesn't change his stance every time he turns around.

 

Please tell me when he changed his stance. He campaigned saying that he believed we should ramp up the war in Afganistan and get out of Iraq as soon as possible. Sounds like exactly what he has done. He has never claimed to be anything except a Christian. Change his stance? Get real. He is doing as President very much what he said he would do as a candidate.

What do you want from your President?

 

One minute he isn't a Christian- So he trying to show people his faith. Now this isn't good enough.

 

War - One minute he is to soft - Now that he is stepping things up people complain.

 

So he is darned if he does or darned if he doesn't.

 

I wasn't complaining about the ramp up of the war, my point was that I think war is not very christian.

I think Obama's policies have been very Christian. Outside of increasing the war effort. Bailing people out was what Christ was all about.

 

Yes, but he wants you to do it out of the kindness of your heart. Not forced down our throats.

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Yes, but he wants you to do it out of the kindness of your heart. Not forced down our throats.

 

I am not sure he cares whether or not it is out of the kindness of your heart as long as they are taken care of.

 

He didn't say "Pray for your enemies, if you feel good about it"

 

He didn't say "If someone asks you to walk a mile, walk two - if you feel like it."

 

He didn't say "If someone asks to borrow your coat, give them your shirt also - if you have one to spare."

I think Obama's policies have been very Christian. Outside of increasing the war effort. Bailing people out was what Christ was all about.

 

From my perspective, the people Bush & Obama bailed out are the same ones that Jesus drove out of the temple.

I am not sure he cares whether or not it is out of the kindness of your heart as long as they are taken care of.

 

He didn't say "Pray for your enemies, if you feel good about it"

 

He didn't say "If someone asks you to walk a mile, walk two - if you feel like it."

 

He didn't say "If someone asks to borrow your coat, give them your shirt also - if you have one to spare."

 

You take Gods teachings and put them way out of context. He wants you to do these things because you want to. Just like going to church. He doesn't want you to go to church because you feel obligated. He wants you to go because you want to. He doesn't want you to worship him because you have to, he wants you to because you want to. He doesn't want you to give 10% because you feel obligated to do so, he wants you to because you want to do it out of the kindness of your heart.

 

Your first sentence is basically implying that it doesn't matter how goals are reached, it only matters on if they are reached, no matter the morality of choices that were made.

I thought it was interesting that the article says Obama acknowledged that America was a predominantly Christian nation.

You take Gods teachings and put them way out of context. He wants you to do these things because you want to. Just like going to church. He doesn't want you to go to church because you feel obligated. He wants you to go because you want to. He doesn't want you to worship him because you have to, he wants you to because you want to. He doesn't want you to give 10% because you feel obligated to do so, he wants you to because you want to do it out of the kindness of your heart.

 

Your first sentence is basically implying that it doesn't matter how goals are reached, it only matters on if they are reached, no matter the morality of choices that were made.

 

These are commands. Christ doesn't say wait until you feel good about doing something before you do it. He commands us to "Love our neighbor and our enemy." He commands us to pray for those who persecute us. Sure it is a choice, but it doesn't have to be done with a cheerful heart, it has to be done.

 

I would think when my son runs sprints to get in shape, he doesn't do them with a cheerful heart, but he does them - he could CHOOSE not to, but he doesn't. He simply runs the sprints because his coach tells him to do them. What good is there in being a christian if we only do things that we feel good about, or are excited about doing. Christ want sacrifice of time, energy, and possessions. Sometimes I struggle with my tithe and offering because of the current economy, so I am not always so cheerful when I give, but I give anyway.

 

I think Christ wants the "least of these to be taken care of" so we take care of them. If you pay your taxes begrudgingly, it doesn't matter, it still helps people.

These are commands. Christ doesn't say wait until you feel good about doing something before you do it. He commands us to "Love our neighbor and our enemy." He commands us to pray for those who persecute us. Sure it is a choice, but it doesn't have to be done with a cheerful heart, it has to be done.

 

I would think when my son runs sprints to get in shape, he doesn't do them with a cheerful heart, but he does them - he could CHOOSE not to, but he doesn't. He simply runs the sprints because his coach tells him to do them. What good is there in being a christian if we only do things that we feel good about, or are excited about doing. Christ want sacrifice of time, energy, and possessions. Sometimes I struggle with my tithe and offering because of the current economy, so I am not always so cheerful when I give, but I give anyway.

 

I think Christ wants the "least of these to be taken care of" so we take care of them. If you pay your taxes begrudgingly, it doesn't matter, it still helps people.

 

I get what you're saying ace, but not long ago I too was running those sprints, I HATED them more than anybody, but at the same time, I wanted to do them because it was the right thing to do. Do you think my coach would of wanted me there if he thought deep down I wouldn't want to make the sacrifice to do so? No, deep down I made the sacrifice because I wanted to. You give because I'm sure you give out of kindness, and you make that sacrifice because you want to.

 

Also, I never said Christ waits until you feel good about doing something before you do it. You can "want" to do something without feeling good about it.

 

God loves it when you help others, but he wants YOU to be the one giving out of your own heart. Not because your government demands you to do so.

There is no salvation for someone trusting in his own acts of righteousness. These acts without repentant faith in Christ's death for our sins are like filthy rags in the eyes of God. We are not saved by works of righteousness. If your giving to fulfill a perceived biblical obligation your gift will be seen for what it is, not from the heart.

Under Old T estimate law you were to tithe out of obligation. Jesus fulfilled the law, now we are to tithe out of love.

There is no salvation for someone trusting in his own acts of righteousness. These acts without repentant faith in Christ's death for our sins are like filthy rags in the eyes of God. We are not saved by works of righteousness. If your giving to fulfill a perceived biblical obligation your gift will be seen for what it is, not from the heart.

Under Old T estimate law you were to tithe out of obligation. Jesus fulfilled the law, now we are to tithe out of love.

 

I know many people use the terms tithing and giving interchangeably, but I think its important to make a distinction. We're to give out of love. I don't see anything in the New Testament that sets our giving at 10%.

And just as many leaders in history have given lip-service to religion as a way to appease their constituents, even if they never really meant a word of it.

 

And my problem with so many of our politicians today.

I know many people use the terms tithing and giving interchangeably, but I think its important to make a distinction. We're to give out of love. I don't see anything in the New Testament that sets our giving at 10%.

 

Early church in Acts, I think, gave at 100%, not 10%.:sssh:

These are commands. Christ doesn't say wait until you feel good about doing something before you do it. He commands us to "Love our neighbor and our enemy." He commands us to pray for those who persecute us. Sure it is a choice, but it doesn't have to be done with a cheerful heart, it has to be done.

 

I would think when my son runs sprints to get in shape, he doesn't do them with a cheerful heart, but he does them - he could CHOOSE not to, but he doesn't. He simply runs the sprints because his coach tells him to do them. What good is there in being a christian if we only do things that we feel good about, or are excited about doing. Christ want sacrifice of time, energy, and possessions. Sometimes I struggle with my tithe and offering because of the current economy, so I am not always so cheerful when I give, but I give anyway.

 

I think Christ wants the "least of these to be taken care of" so we take care of them. If you pay your taxes begrudgingly, it doesn't matter, it still helps people.

100% agree, but it cuts both ways. Even though we don't like telling people that certain actions is not what Jesus wants them to be doing, we may have to begrudgingly (good word) tell them. Even though they don't want to hear it or we want to have to be the one to tell them.

I am not sure he cares whether or not it is out of the kindness of your heart as long as they are taken care of.

 

He didn't say "Pray for your enemies, if you feel good about it"

 

He didn't say "If someone asks you to walk a mile, walk two - if you feel like it."

 

He didn't say "If someone asks to borrow your coat, give them your shirt also - if you have one to spare."

 

I would disagree. If we are true followers of Christ, we would WANT to help and take care of them. Otherwise it is our actions and our following of CHrist that gets us to where we want to be.