The other end is that I have a family member that is a doctor and struggling financially because of the liability insurance he has to carry. He has no issues or problems. Just the normal cost.

 

He actually got OUT of the field of general practitioner because of it.

 

Now does stomach surgery to help people lose weight.

We are both teachers.

 

There are some of us who are teachers knowing that we are not going to get rich.

 

But if our salaries were doubled (not saying I am proposing that but I wouldn't reject it either:D), how many more of those that could be GREAT teachers would get into the field of teaching rather than a field, O I don't know, let's say, being a doctor?

 

Great example. However, how many of us do what we do because we have a passion for it, not because of what it will pay? I daresay (well, I know) that with my chemistry degree that I could be making more money in a variety of other careers, but I CHOSE education BECAUSE it is my passion and what I feel is my calling to do. I know that there are doctors out there that feel the same way (some of them are former students of mine) that feel a similar passion for what they do. It's unfair to categorize them, as some have here, as profit seekers.

I don't necessarily believe that the cream of the crop are the best in anything. For someone to be really great at what they do, whatever that is, they have to "feel" a connection to, and a satisfaction from achieving and exceeding expected results.

 

I firmly believe that if a person is only in it for the money, they will not be the best at what they do.

 

I'd rather put my health in the hands of a doctor I know cares about the results of his treatment of me, than in one who is concerned about whether he will make money off me.

Remove profit drive and shoot for quality, appropriate care. When you are looking for profit, that becomes the bottom line, appropriate care should be the bottom line.

 

People like medicare.

 

Why not?

Single payer will not provide quality care. In fact, include too much government control and what you have is a nightmare in the health industry.

I know a lot of people in the health care industry, every single one of them are against this new law and none of them want single payer. Talked to two of my doctors, neither want any part of this.

Great example. However, how many of us do what we do because we have a passion for it, not because of what it will pay? I daresay (well, I know) that with my chemistry degree that I could be making more money in a variety of other careers, but I CHOSE education BECAUSE it is my passion and what I feel is my calling to do. I know that there are doctors out there that feel the same way (some of them are former students of mine) that feel a similar passion for what they do. It's unfair to categorize them, as some have here, as profit seekers.

 

I concur.

 

Schools are always seeking better math and science teachers. Imagine the lineup of teachers if they got paid like you could have been paid in the Chemistry field.

 

Schools would be turning away good teachers and not scrounging for them.

 

Simple supply and demand.

I don't necessarily believe that the cream of the crop are the best in anything. For someone to be really great at what they do, whatever that is, they have to "feel" a connection to, and a satisfaction from achieving and exceeding expected results.

 

I firmly believe that if a person is only in it for the money, they will not be the best at what they do.

 

I'd rather put my health in the hands of a doctor I know cares about the results of his treatment of me, than in one who is concerned about whether he will make money off me.

 

So, you would prefer the doctor who graduated #100 in his class but cares over the doctor who was #1 in their class and may not "care" as much?

 

BTW, the doctor who was #1 will understand the concept that his treatment does not work and the word of mouth advertising gets out and patients quit coming his way. THus reducing his salary.

I want single payer. there, now "people" have.

 

Remove profit drive and shoot for quality, appropriate care. When you are looking for profit, that becomes the bottom line, appropriate care should be the bottom line.

 

People like medicare.

 

Why not?

 

With the United Postal Service there to provide all of the services we need by the US Government at a cheap cost, why do you think FedEx and UPS is able to exist?

 

Maybe that the one that is removed from a profit drive and just shooting for appropriate care is not serving the customer the best. While FedEx and UPS does.

So, you would prefer the doctor who graduated #100 in his class but cares over the doctor who was #1 in their class and may not "care" as much?

 

BTW, the doctor who was #1 will understand the concept that his treatment does not work and the word of mouth advertising gets out and patients quit coming his way. THus reducing his salary.

 

 

I have never, EVER had a doctor that I even knew what his class rank was. :lol: So, yes. I judge, and choose, my physicians based on the fact that they show interest in ME and my issue, whatever it is.

I have never, EVER had a doctor that I even knew what his class rank was. :lol: So, yes. I judge, and choose, my physicians based on the fact that they show interest in ME and my issue, whatever it is.

 

So, their ability is irrelevant?

 

When you have a medical issue that requires more than a GP, do you ask around "Who is the best?" or do ask around "Who cares the most?"

So, their ability is irrelevant?

 

When you have a medical issue that requires more than a GP, do you ask around "Who is the best?" or do ask around "Who cares the most?"

 

 

Who says that a graduate at #100 has less ability than #1? Class rank does not prove ability to treat. It shows the ability to achieve a high GPA.

Who says that a graduate at #100 has less ability than #1? Class rank does not prove ability to treat. It shows the ability to achieve a high GPA.

 

So, you would feel just as comfortable with the #100 doctor in the class cutting you open and operating as the #1 doctor.

 

The only way to judge their ability to treat you would be AFTER they had cut you open.

So, you would feel just as comfortable with the #100 doctor in the class cutting you open and operating as the #1 doctor.

 

The only way to judge their ability to treat you would be AFTER they had cut you open.

 

 

Yes, because as I stated in my post quoted by you, the #1 doctor in his/her class isn't indicative of his/her ability.

 

#1 doctor in terms of success rate as a doctor should be important, not in where they ranked in their graduating class. Surely even you can agree that GPA isn't an indicator of future success in any field?

Yes, because as I stated in my post quoted by you, the #1 doctor in his/her class isn't indicative of his/her ability.

 

#1 doctor in terms of success rate as a doctor should be important, not in where they ranked in their graduating class. Surely even you can agree that GPA isn't an indicator of future success in any field?

 

GPA is what parents love to brag most on with their child and is the most overrated thing in education.

 

That said, if the doctor has no experience, that is the only thing you have to go on. That they no what to do.

 

The other doctor, well, you hope he did well in the area that he is operating on you.

GPA is what parents love to brag most on with their child and is the most overrated thing in education.

 

That said, if the doctor has no experience, that is the only thing you have to go on. That they no what to do.

 

The other doctor, well, you hope he did well in the area that he is operating on you.

 

 

:lol: I had a 3.75 GPA in high school and never finished college. :lol:

 

GPA is NOT an indicator of future success.

 

And I don't ask a doctor what his/her GPA was in high school or college, nor do I interview his/her parents.

 

The doctor at #100 can know as well as the one at #1 in his/her class. Maybe they didn't write their thesis as well or do well in History of European nations and that impacted their GPA.

 

If I want to research a doctor, I go to the internet like I did when we chose a surgeon for my son's hip surgery. I still have no idea what his GPA was, but his reputation was impeccable and his list of accomplishments, associations and credentials extensive and impressive

:lol: I had a 3.75 GPA in high school and never finished college. :lol:

 

GPA is NOT an indicator of future success.

 

And I don't ask a doctor what his/her GPA was in high school or college, nor do I interview his/her parents.

 

The doctor at #100 can know as well as the one at #1 in his/her class. Maybe they didn't write their thesis as well or do well in History of European nations and that impacted their GPA.

 

If I want to research a doctor, I go to the internet like I did when we chose a surgeon for my son's hip surgery. I still have no idea what his GPA was, but his reputation was impeccable and his list of accomplishments, associations and credentials extensive and impressive

 

 

1. When a doctor is being considered for their residency (isn't that where they go right out of medical school) do you think GPA is taken into consideration by the hiring hospital?

 

2. Thought of this today. This is probably another example of the difference of where we live. You have a lot of choices for a doctor in Jefferson County. I have two choices. One was a top notch student when he was in high school and comes from a family that takes pride in doing the best they can. My knowledge of that would go a long way to my choice of doctors. I might know that from a small town where you may not.