October 30, 200916 yr I don't think so as much in football but I could see baseball. I think it very easily can happen, and does happen some in football. I mean if you think about it there are a lot of cases where a ref really can turn the game one way to a certain team. I mean I not saying I know it happens in the NFL too, however I wouldn't be so sure that it doesn't happen. Its a business just like the NBA, they want to see their higher profile teams do well, and their star athletes succeed. Just look at the rules they keep putting in to protect the star QB's. So wouldn't be surprised at all if the same thing doesn't sorta happen in the NFL or baseball.
November 1, 200916 yr I cannot express the level of contempt I have for this scumbag. And I don't believe a word of any implication of malfeasance among other referees. He's simply trying to cast blame and suspicion to mitigate his own bad decisions. I don't know a thing about reffing basketball, especially the NBA, but I do know a little about officiating in major college football. There is no tolerance for uttering so much as a joke about gambling or point spreads in our locker rooms. A joke can get you fired. That's why I cannot believe the allegations of widespread collusion in any major sports league. Integrity is our stock in trade. Now, because this turd cannot admit his own guilt and take his punishment like a man, every one of us who wears stripes (from professional to pee-wee) is now subject to having our integrity questioned on every call we make. The damage this guy has single-handedly done to sports officiating is enormous. Shame on you if you buy his book or even believe a word of his lies.
November 1, 200916 yr I cannot express the level of contempt I have for this scumbag. And I don't believe a word of any implication of malfeasance among other referees. He's simply trying to cast blame and suspicion to mitigate his own bad decisions. I don't know a thing about reffing basketball, especially the NBA, but I do know a little about officiating in major college football. There is no tolerance for uttering so much as a joke about gambling or point spreads in our locker rooms. A joke can get you fired. That's why I cannot believe the allegations of widespread collusion in any major sports league. Integrity is our stock in trade. Now, because this turd cannot admit his own guilt and take his punishment like a man, every one of us who wears stripes (from professional to pee-wee) is now subject to having our integrity questioned on every call we make. The damage this guy has single-handedly done to sports officiating is enormous. Shame on you if you buy his book or even believe a word of his lies. Do certain crew hang together in college football or does a head referee switch around his crew weekly? Because if a crew hung together all year, I could maybe see some cases.
November 1, 200916 yr Do certain crew hang together in college football or does a head referee switch around his crew weekly? Because if a crew hung together all year, I could maybe see some cases. They work in crews for conference games, sometimes they have a couple supplemental staff members for non-conference games. I don't buy it that an entire crew of seven officials could ever be in on a fix. First, every play is on film and is graded by the league supervisor of officials, not to mention that every bad call is first exposed in the media. You'd be one game and done forever. Second, you can't get to that level if you've ever had a character issue or ever had your integrity questioned. Yes, they absolutely do background checks. Additionally, there would undoubtedly be at least one member of the crew who would rat you out in a heartbeat.
November 1, 200916 yr Author I cannot express the level of contempt I have for this scumbag. And I don't believe a word of any implication of malfeasance among other referees. He's simply trying to cast blame and suspicion to mitigate his own bad decisions. I don't know a thing about reffing basketball, especially the NBA, but I do know a little about officiating in major college football. There is no tolerance for uttering so much as a joke about gambling or point spreads in our locker rooms. A joke can get you fired. That's why I cannot believe the allegations of widespread collusion in any major sports league. Integrity is our stock in trade. Now, because this turd cannot admit his own guilt and take his punishment like a man, every one of us who wears stripes (from professional to pee-wee) is now subject to having our integrity questioned on every call we make. The damage this guy has single-handedly done to sports officiating is enormous. Shame on you if you buy his book or even believe a word of his lies. There is no tolerance for it, but it happens. Tim Donaghy did it. Pete Rose did it. It happens, whether or not you believe it. What do you mean that he cannot admit his own guilt? He's admitting it & (presumably) telling about the others who were involved.
November 1, 200916 yr There is no tolerance for it, but it happens. Tim Donaghy did it. Pete Rose did it. It happens, whether or not you believe it. What do you mean that he cannot admit his own guilt? He's admitting it & (presumably) telling about the others who were involved. He's casting aspersions at other refs in order to deflect blame from himself, trying to drag well respected men down into the muck with him. In addition to libel or slander, that's called being a whiny, sissy-boy coward. How could you presume he's telling the truth about anything? He's a cheat, a whining sissy, a coward and a liar. And a steaming sack of dung.
November 1, 200916 yr Author He's casting aspersions at other refs in order to deflect blame from himself, trying to drag well respected men down into the muck with him. In addition to libel or slander, that's called being a whiny, sissy-boy coward. How could you presume he's telling the truth about anything? He's a cheat, a whining sissy, a coward and a liar. And a steaming sack of dung. If it's true, it's neither libel nor slander...
November 1, 200916 yr He's casting aspersions at other refs in order to deflect blame from himself, trying to drag well respected men down into the muck with him. In addition to libel or slander, that's called being a whiny, sissy-boy coward. How could you presume he's telling the truth about anything? He's a cheat, a whining sissy, a coward and a liar. And a steaming sack of dung. And he could be telling the truth. Before Tim got caught do you think if you asked David Stern if any of the refs were betting on the games he'd say yes? Do you think if someone asked Tim if he had bet on a game he'd say yes? People are going to deny til they get caught, it's a part of sports whether you want to admit it or not.
November 1, 200916 yr If it's true, it's neither libel nor slander... He doesn't offer a shred of proof to back up his elaborate stories.
November 1, 200916 yr They work in crews for conference games, sometimes they have a couple supplemental staff members for non-conference games. I don't buy it that an entire crew of seven officials could ever be in on a fix. First, every play is on film and is graded by the league supervisor of officials, not to mention that every bad call is first exposed in the media. You'd be one game and done forever. Second, you can't get to that level if you've ever had a character issue or ever had your integrity questioned. Yes, they absolutely do background checks. Additionally, there would undoubtedly be at least one member of the crew who would rat you out in a heartbeat. You do know that every call he made was reviewed on tape right? He scored well enough to keep his job even though he was betting on games. A lot of the stuff he said isn't easy to shake off.
November 1, 200916 yr You do know that every call he made was reviewed on tape right? He scored well enough to keep his job even though he was betting on games. A lot of the stuff he said isn't easy to shake off. Of course I understand he's not lying about his own involvement--he came clean BECAUSE HE GOT CAUGHT. It's the accusations he's making about other refs that I don't believe--because he's offered no proof to back it up.
November 2, 200916 yr Of course I understand he's not lying about his own involvement--he came clean BECAUSE HE GOT CAUGHT. It's the accusations he's making about other refs that I don't believe--because he's offered no proof to back it up. I'm saying every call he made was also reviewed. He got away w/ it for a long time. I'd say there is some truth to what he's saying. He's not alleging cheating every time. Some of the times he's just alleging he knew how guys would call games. There are a lot of people that wonder how refs get assigned to games they seemingly shouldn't. He could be wrong, but he raises interesting questions.
November 2, 200916 yr They work in crews for conference games, sometimes they have a couple supplemental staff members for non-conference games. I don't buy it that an entire crew of seven officials could ever be in on a fix. First, every play is on film and is graded by the league supervisor of officials, not to mention that every bad call is first exposed in the media. You'd be one game and done forever. Second, you can't get to that level if you've ever had a character issue or ever had your integrity questioned. Yes, they absolutely do background checks. Additionally, there would undoubtedly be at least one member of the crew who would rat you out in a heartbeat. What about every no-call? Is it possible they're smart enough to just say they "didn't see it" on certain judgement calls unless like Donaghy says you absolutely must call something like if a player is getting tackled on the basketball court?
November 2, 200916 yr Of course I understand he's not lying about his own involvement--he came clean BECAUSE HE GOT CAUGHT. It's the accusations he's making about other refs that I don't believe--because he's offered no proof to back it up. Wasn't the same thing said of Jose Canseco and steroid use in baseball and eventually there was proof to back it up? The reason there may not be proof YET is because the NBA has denied it and never had anyone get caught to open up the can of worms.
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