Actually, everyone is COMPELLED to be in the classroom, by virtue of an educational system that REQUIRES a child to be enrolled in school. Everyone has the opportunity to participate in extra-curricular activities, and maybe if more participation occurred or was strongly encouraged, the involvement in the classroom would go beyond just showing up, and begin to be about a real interest in education-even if only for the reason that they must maintain their academics to participate.

 

 

Everyone is required to be enrolled in school. Therefore, everyone has the opportunity/right to learn. Not everyone has an opportunity to participate in extra-curricular activities, when those students that do are hand picked. Therfore, all extra-curricular activities will continue to be a privilege until every student can dress for football, every male can dress for baseball, every female dress for cheerleading, every student can sing in the choir, etc. I assume every coach is wrong when they tell their players that it's a privilege to wear that uniform, since not every student has the opportunity to do so?

Everyone is required to be enrolled in school. Therefore, everyone has the opportunity/right to learn. Not everyone has an opportunity to participate in extra-curricular activities, when those students that do are hand picked. Therfore, all extra-curricular activities will continue to be a privilege until every student can dress for football, every male can dress for baseball, every female dress for cheerleading, every student can sing in the choir, etc. I assume every coach is wrong when they tell their players that it's a privilege to wear that uniform, since not every student has the opportunity to do so?

 

 

So students who don't make the baseball team have no other extracurricular opportunities?

 

Why do schools limit their football team sizes?

 

It is a privilege to wear the uniform, whether every student has the opportunity to wear it or there's a limit to the number of participants.

 

At Trinity, there are limits to the size (of course) of the basketball team, the baseball team, but there are other opportunities to participate. Maybe you don't make varsity, but you play JV. In football, all are welcome. There's soccer, there's choir, there's theater, there's rock climbing, there's disc golf teams. It's not just about making a major-sport team. It's about find a way for kids to be included, no matter what their skill-set.

Regardless of if the rule is right or wrong, it is currently the rule and people have trying to circumvent the rule for years.

 

I hate the seat belt law but I have to follow it or get a ticket, becuase it is the law.

 

If you don't like the rule (which I don't) change the rule.

 

Personally, I think you should get one transfer, flat. Then if you decide that you need to move again, you sit, flat. Pretty clear concise and to the point.

 

I just get serioulsy fatigued by people who know the rules then break them and whine about it. Of course I also get fatigued by the folks who move for six weeks and the KHSAA gives them a nod and wink and they are eligible. One move, eligible, two moves sit fixes that.

Personally, I think you should get one transfer, flat. Then if you decide that you need to move again, you sit, flat. Pretty clear concise and to the point.

 

I just get serioulsy fatigued by people who know the rules then break them and whine about it. Of course I also get fatigued by the folks who move for six weeks and the KHSAA gives them a nod and wink and they are eligible. One move, eligible, two moves sit fixes that.

 

This is approach worthy of additional discussion.

So students who don't make the baseball team have no other extracurricular opportunities?

 

Why do schools limit their football team sizes?

 

It is a privilege to wear the uniform, whether every student has the opportunity to wear it or there's a limit to the number of participants.

 

At Trinity, there are limits to the size (of course) of the basketball team, the baseball team, but there are other opportunities to participate. Maybe you don't make varsity, but you play JV. In football, all are welcome. There's soccer, there's choir, there's theater, there's rock climbing, there's disc golf teams. It's not just about making a major-sport team. It's about find a way for kids to be included, no matter what their skill-set.

 

Since this thread is about the KHSAA, how many sanctioned extra-curricular activities are try-out based (aka limitted numbers)? I would assume almost 100%. I know most schools say that all are welcomed in football, but if all were to show, I would imagine there would be some cuts somewhere. It's just not feasible to dress 300, 400, 500+ kids.

 

As for the non-sanctioned, but school funded extra-curricular activities, how many are try-out based (aka limitted numbers)? This, I'm not sure of, but I would assume a majority are.

Since this thread is about the KHSAA, how many sanctioned extra-curricular activities are try-out based (aka limitted numbers)? I would assume almost 100%. I know most schools say that all are welcomed in football, but if all were to show, I would imagine there would be some cuts somewhere. It's just not feasible to dress 300, 400, 500+ kids.

 

As for the non-sanctioned, but school funded extra-curricular activities, how many are try-out based (aka limitted numbers)? This, I'm not sure of, but I would assume a majority are.

 

 

I don't, though, understand your argument. In a previous post, you mentioned extra-curricular activites generally. I'm not sure why KHSAA sanctioned sports should be different than those that aren't or extra-curriculars that aren't sports related at all.

 

An education is more than what is learned in the classroom. I believe this wholeheartedly. If we didn't believe it, we wouldn't seek out opportunities for our kids to develop their talent outside the school, or encourage them to be involved in their school's activities. Every kid has the opportunity to join in. Maybe they'll make the cut, or maybe they won't. If they don't it is a part of the eduation process. There is a part of eduation that is learning one's strengths and weaknesses, learning to deal with disappointment and learning to broaden one's horizon's by trying new things.

 

One thing I think private schools excel at is placing a priority on developing a well-rounded student, whether athlete, thespian, artist or academic, by offering opportunities that many public schools do not. At Trinity & Assumption (the two I'm most familiar with) the students are STRONGLY encouranged to participate in extra-curriculars. And there is an extraordinarily high participation rate.

 

Those who think school and activities are separate opportunities are selling the term "education" short, IMO.

I don't, though, understand your argument. In a previous post, you mentioned extra-curricular activites generally. I'm not sure why KHSAA sanctioned sports should be different than those that aren't or extra-curriculars that aren't sports related at all.

 

An education is more than what is learned in the classroom. I believe this wholeheartedly. If we didn't believe it, we wouldn't seek out opportunities for our kids to develop their talent outside the school, or encourage them to be involved in their school's activities. Every kid has the opportunity to join in. Maybe they'll make the cut, or maybe they won't. If they don't it is a part of the eduation process. There is a part of eduation that is learning one's strengths and weaknesses, learning to deal with disappointment and learning to broaden one's horizon's by trying new things.

 

One thing I think private schools excel at is placing a priority on developing a well-rounded student, whether athlete, thespian, artist or academic, by offering opportunities that many public schools do not. At Trinity & Assumption (the two I'm most familiar with) the students are STRONGLY encouranged to participate in extra-curriculars. And there is an extraordinarily high participation rate.

 

Those who think school and activities are separate opportunities are selling the term "education" short, IMO.

 

Isn't Private vs. Public another forum?:notworthy:

Isn't Private vs. Public another forum?:notworthy:

 

 

I was just throwing that in as an example, not to start anything. Mea Culpa.:deadhorse:

I don't, though, understand your argument. In a previous post, you mentioned extra-curricular activites generally. I'm not sure why KHSAA sanctioned sports should be different than those that aren't or extra-curriculars that aren't sports related at all.An education is more than what is learned in the classroom. I believe this wholeheartedly. If we didn't believe it, we wouldn't seek out opportunities for our kids to develop their talent outside the school, or encourage them to be involved in their school's activities. Every kid has the opportunity to join in. Maybe they'll make the cut, or maybe they won't. If they don't it is a part of the eduation process. There is a part of eduation that is learning one's strengths and weaknesses, learning to deal with disappointment and learning to broaden one's horizon's by trying new things.

 

One thing I think private schools excel at is placing a priority on developing a well-rounded student, whether athlete, thespian, artist or academic, by offering opportunities that many public schools do not. At Trinity & Assumption (the two I'm most familiar with) the students are STRONGLY encouranged to participate in extra-curriculars. And there is an extraordinarily high participation rate.

 

Those who think school and activities are separate opportunities are selling the term "education" short, IMO.

 

I'm not arguing the fact that extra-curricular activities don't help the learning process. I whole heartedly agree with that/your assessment. They help tremendously. I'm just stating that for those that are fortunate enough to participate, it is a privilege for them, not a right.

 

Here's an article that kinda sums things up.

http://www.starexponent.com/cse/sports/high_school_prep/high_school_baseball/article/sports_are_a_privilige_and_dont_you_forget_it/32737/

I'm not arguing the fact that extra-curricular activities don't help the learning process. I whole heartedly agree with that/your assessment. They help tremendously. I'm just stating that for those that are fortunate enough to participate, it is a privilege for them, not a right.

 

Here's an article that kinda sums things up.

http://www.starexponent.com/cse/sports/high_school_prep/high_school_baseball/article/sports_are_a_privilige_and_dont_you_forget_it/32737/

 

 

It's a privilege that every kid should have the opportunity to participate in. But that doesn't mean that the privilege should not be extended to students who transfer schools. And I agree with the article. But the premise of the article, and the type of privilege it discusses isn't the type of privilege you are asserting. You are saying a kid who transfers schools shouldn't have the privilege of representing their new school. You are saying they should be penalized for transferring schools. I cannot agree with that.

I'm not arguing the fact that extra-curricular activities don't help the learning process. I whole heartedly agree with that/your assessment. They help tremendously. I'm just stating that for those that are fortunate enough to participate, it is a privilege for them, not a right.

 

Here's an article that kinda sums things up.

http://www.starexponent.com/cse/sports/high_school_prep/high_school_baseball/article/sports_are_a_privilige_and_dont_you_forget_it/32737/

 

Nothing news worthy, it is what is expected from a coach and what I see more times than not from coaches.:thumb:

Nothing news worthy, it is what is expected from a coach and what I see more times than not from coaches.:thumb:

 

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I'll have to disagree on that. I think that extracaricular activities are part of the educational process. I think the baseball field, the basketball court, the football field, the tennis court, and all the other athletic fields are just as much a class room and important to education as the science room, the computer lab, and the library.

 

Being a little over 5 years removed from high school I'd have to agree with that. When looking and comparing peoples social skills as well as how people prioritize and set goals, you can usually tell a distinct difference between those who played sports and those who didn't.

It's a privilege that every kid should have the opportunity to participate in. But that doesn't mean that the privilege should not be extended to students who transfer schools. And I agree with the article. But the premise of the article, and the type of privilege it discusses isn't the type of privilege you are asserting. You are saying a kid who transfers schools shouldn't have the privilege of representing their new school. You are saying they should be penalized for transferring schools. I cannot agree with that.

 

OK, I think I see we have a little confusion here. I'm not saying a kid shouldn't have the opportunity to participate sports when they transfer. I haven't said they shouldn't be able to. A comment was made by a poster questioning why one can transfer for academic reasons and not athletic, and I simply stated that sports were a perk (privilege). I've been trying to argue the point that academics (classroom learning) is a right that cannot be denied to a student, whereas sports (extra-curricular activities) are a privilege that not all students have an opportunity to participate in. A student can be denied the opportunity to participate in football, baseball, choir, academic team, etc.

 

My thoughts on the whole transfer issue is that I think the KHSAA has the right intentions, but there are just too many gray areas in their policy.

I am not here to argue that right or wrong on the rule, but I will say this, it is SAD that our law makers are more worried about someones private agenda then trying to balance the budget and keep school districts from having to cut teachers, lose support personel and others that make our education system the best it can be. In a time where we are faced with such real life situations that are truly effecting the lives of so many around the commonwealth, I find it a shame that this is their focus. Just my opinion and as a tax payer I am embarassed by our officials lack of motivation to do something about the real problems we have in Kentucky