Texas governor threatens to secede......The more and more I read things like this the more I think the GOP still hasn't figured it out and is hastening the process of them becoming a regional party(southern and some rural western states). Anyone care to share feelings http://www.star-telegram.com/804/story/1319632.html

Or maybe, just maybe there are people who have real issues with the way our governement is now being run and aren't willing to just accept it.

I like the idea; people that wish not to follow socialism needs to stand up! I say vote every incumbant out let America speak! Capitalism, freedom to win or fail, freedom to live a life style that is your business not the governments. I am all for this!

 

Ironically, this debate has been going on since the founding of our country with the Jefferson and Franklin, go figure!

Gov. Perry never really said seceed(although it is reported some in the audience did)

 

But irregardless, no state has a right to seceed.

Gov. Perry never really said seceed(although it is reported some in the audience did)

 

But irregardless, no state has a right to seceed.

 

 

I can not remember but either the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence states that from time to time revolution must happen, I think it comes from the Declaration of Independence. Can you help me on that?

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I can not remember but either the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence states that from time to time revolution must happen, I think it comes from the Declaration of Independence. Can you help me on that?

The Decleration says:"...That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it..."

 

The problem with that statement is that it is not valid under the Constitution. In fact, the Supreme Court in Texas v. White (1869), held that when Texas became a state, it entered into an "indisolvable Union".

 

Since Texas was formerly a nation itself, they have a treaty with the US and a clause in their constitution that allows them to leave the US should they so decide. They are the only state with such an option

 

When Texas joined the United States, they had to forefit all previous powers and treaties with all nations(including the US) as a condition of statehood.

The Decleration says:"...That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it..."

 

The problem with that statement is that it is not valid under the Constitution. In fact, the Supreme Court in Texas v. White (1869), held that when Texas became a state, it entered into an "indisolvable Union".

 

Thanks for the info:notworthy:

 

However, I agree with the premise of the Declaration. I don't think the time has come for that just yet, but the two party system sure is taking us down that road.

Thanks for the info:notworthy:

 

However, I agree with the premise of the Declaration. I don't think the time has come for that just yet, but the two party system sure is taking us down that road.

I guess if a Revoultion to overthrow the US government happened, secession would happen, but it wouldn't be a right the state possessed. I agree that our government is not what it should be, but there ever is to be true fundamental change, there is a system to do that set up in the Constitution. We, the people, the voters, have failed our duty just as much as the politicians we elect have failed thiers.

I guess if a Revoultion to overthrow the US government happened, secession would happen, but it wouldn't be a right the state possessed. I agree that our government is not what it should be, but there ever is to be true fundamental change, there is a system to do that set up in the Constitution. We, the people, the voters, have failed our duty just as much as the politicians we elect have failed thiers.

 

 

 

AMEN:thumb:

 

Maybe that will change, maybe not, it is my hope that it does!:ylsuper:

Or maybe, just maybe there are people who have real issues with the way our governement is now being run and aren't willing to just accept it.

 

See, that's what I find so funny. Obama has only been in office a few months. Democrats have only controlled Congress for just over 2 years.

 

Where was all this blather when Bush was in office and/or the GOP was in charge of Congress?

 

It smacks of "I'll take my bat and ball and go home," mentality.

 

I find it ironic that during the first secession movements it took about forty years for the division to become great enough for some states to actually seceed. Here, in today's "cool headed climate" it takes four months. :lol:

And what I find funny is all of the people that could find nothing but fault with the past administration now expect those that don't agree with this one to just accept what he is doing.

And what I find funny is all of the people that could find nothing but fault with the past administration now expect those that don't agree with this one to just accept what he is doing.

 

Isn't that what all citizens have to do no matter who is in office? Why is it suddenly so important? I disagreed mightily with much of the last 8 years. All I could do was work to effect what change I could, and cast my votes for candidates I felt would effect change. In the end, though...I had to wait. I had to just accept it. I would never dream of leaving the USA, though. That is inherently anti-American. The beauty of the system in America is that we CAN influence change. We have the opportunity to do so every 4 years. If Texas left, and the next election put candidates more palatable to them in office, would they then just "receed". You can't just come and go at your whimsy. To steal the words of GWB: "You're either with us, or you're against us."

The Spirit on which this country was founded has been lost if we decide that we have to take that which is given by the "government".

 

"We" are the "government" and we have the ability to change it anytime we see fit. The Constitution may be amended, laws may be changed and new officials may be electged.

 

A state can't seceed but a citizen can buy a one-way plane ticket to where ever he chooses to go and then mail their passport back when they get there.

 

I am pretty fed up with all levels of government myself but I am making a renewed effort to make my beliefs known to every level of representation...from township to county to state to federal. In fact, I am thinking about running for public office again on the local level.

 

For all of you who think we can do better, like I do, get involved. It is our government and we should make sure it fairly represents us.

Given what happened last time someone tried to secede they probably should rethink that move.