I am really disappointed in the teams that played D2. The Wolfpack, Blaze, Rimrockers, and several of the other teams do not meet the definition of D2. They are allstar teams afraid to play up when actually they are better than most of the teams in D1. I think this is the reason that people aren't playing AAU anymore. The number of teams are way down and I think this is the reason. They need to have a D1 tournament 2 weeks before the D2. Then the teams that should play D1 can play and still play D2 if that don't fair well.

 

What are they playing, if not AAU?

I am really disappointed in the teams that played D2. The Wolfpack, Blaze, Rimrockers, and several of the other teams do not meet the definition of D2. They are allstar teams afraid to play up when actually they are better than most of the teams in D1. I think this is the reason that people aren't playing AAU anymore. The number of teams are way down and I think this is the reason. They need to have a D1 tournament 2 weeks before the D2. Then the teams that should play D1 can play and still play D2 if that don't fair well.

 

What is the definition of D2?

There are very few (2-3) AAU sanctioned events in Kentucky per age group per year. Everything else has it's own rules and legally are not suposed to use the term AAU in the discription of their event. BCI, MIDWEST YOUTH, HOOPS, and others are not AAU sanctioned.

 

Without looking up the exact definition, D2 is for school or community type teams with D1 being for all star type teams. Of couse you can say, they are all from the Lexington area or the northern Kentucky area so it's not really very definitive.

I was under the assumption that any AAU team is an all-star team because the teams are hand picked and are not a school team. I do realize that some teams choose to just have players from a certain school in order to improve their school team.

I am really disappointed in the teams that played D2. The Wolfpack, Blaze, Rimrockers, and several of the other teams do not meet the definition of D2. They are allstar teams afraid to play up when actually they are better than most of the teams in D1. I think this is the reason that people aren't playing AAU anymore. The number of teams are way down and I think this is the reason. They need to have a D1 tournament 2 weeks before the D2. Then the teams that should play D1 can play and still play D2 if that don't fair well.

 

I agree with the bold statements. I will never understand why teams that have the best 1 or 2 kids from each school in the whole region do not play up to D1. I know many local teams with 6-10 kids all from the same school who just want to play, but can't compete with the All-star teams in AAU tourneys. That is what D2 is supposed to be about - community teams or school teams. Until they figure out a better way to monitor who plays at what level then I'm afraid the number of teams may continue to dwindle down.

I agree with the bold statements. I will never understand why teams that have the best 1 or 2 kids from each school in the whole region do not play up to D1. I know many local teams with 6-10 kids all from the same school who just want to play, but can't compete with the All-star teams in AAU tourneys. That is what D2 is supposed to be about - community teams or school teams. Until they figure out a better way to monitor who plays at what level then I'm afraid the number of teams may continue to dwindle down.

 

I agree as well. I think this is why you see the SOAS Sunday AAU league numbers down and his week day school league numbers up. More people are going to school type teams. But if you do this you are not AAU anyway so why play AAU? If your playing AAU becuase you want the better competition, why complain about losing to them?:idunno:

I agree as well. I think this is why you see the SOAS Sunday AAU league numbers down and his week day school league numbers up. More people are going to school type teams. But if you do this you are not AAU anyway so why play AAU? If your playing AAU becuase you want the better competition, why complain about losing to them?:idunno:

 

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I understand and agree, I just think it would help if they played in the right division. That is why there are two divisions. We are going to put together a team next season and we will be division1 and play division 1. You are probably correct about school and community teams not playing AAU anymore. Also, the Farmer kid for the Blaze sure is mature for his age.

I understand and agree, I just think it would help if they played in the right division. That is why there are two divisions. We are going to put together a team next season and we will be division1 and play division 1. You are probably correct about school and community teams not playing AAU anymore. Also, the Farmer kid for the Blaze sure is mature for his age.

 

Do you think??? He drove to the game...:lol::lol:

There were certainly a number of "Rabbit-eared" officials at this tournament. Technical fouls were called like they were going out of style, on players and coaches alike. They ejected a coach for "slamming" down his clipboard twice, the first time on the floor at such a distance and velocity that the board didn't even bounce, then on a chair from a distance of about two inches above the seat. They threatened fans with ejection on more than one occasion in the games I watched.

 

One official jumped into a low-keyed discussion between her officiating partner and the winning coach after the game was over (a two point difference) and threatened the coach with a technical foul 3-4 minutes after the game was over and no one else was on the floor. And the discussion was about a call (non-call) make by her partner, one in which she wasn't even involved. To his credit the original official in the discussion walked off when his partner went on her "authority" kick.

 

Basketball officiating is a tough, tough job. The game is so fast-paced and competitive. I know because I officiated for a number of years. But good officials can't have rabbit ears. They have to go about their jobs and ignore the complaints, as long as those complaints don't get totally out of hand, which didn't happen, IMO, in the 10-12 games I observed. And good officials certainly walk away from potential confrontations once they've made their calls, especially after the game is over and it's a less than heated discussion which doesn't even involve them.

 

Hopefully many of those problems were ones of newness to the officiating game and those officials will learn although some of the people involved certainly didn't look "new"! And, to not impugn all the officials at the tournament, I also saw games where there were absolutely no issues. But the overall officiating performance for the tournament was sullied by the several who didn't seem to be able block out the complaints that are going to be there for officials in any BB game they call.

There were certainly a number of "Rabbit-eared" officials at this tournament. Technical fouls were called like they were going out of style, on players and coaches alike. They ejected a coach for "slamming" down his clipboard twice, the first time on the floor at such a distance and velocity that the board didn't even bounce, then on a chair from a distance of about two inches above the seat. They threatened fans with ejection on more than one occasion in the games I watched.

 

One official jumped into a low-keyed discussion between her officiating partner and the winning coach after the game was over (a two point difference) and threatened the coach with a technical foul 3-4 minutes after the game was over and no one else was on the floor. And the discussion was about a call (non-call) make by her partner, one in which she wasn't even involved. To his credit the original official in the discussion walked off when his partner went on her "authority" kick.

 

Basketball officiating is a tough, tough job. The game is so fast-paced and competitive. I know because I officiated for a number of years. But good officials can't have rabbit ears. They have to go about their jobs and ignore the complaints, as long as those complaints don't get totally out of hand, which didn't happen, IMO, in the 10-12 games I observed. And good officials certainly walk away from potential confrontations once they've made their calls, especially after the game is over and it's a less than heated discussion which doesn't even involve them.

 

Hopefully many of those problems were ones of newness to the officiating game and those officials will learn although some of the people involved certainly didn't look "new"! And, to not impugn all the officials at the tournament, I also saw games where there were absolutely no issues. But the overall officiating performance for the tournament was sullied by the several who didn't seem to be able block out the complaints that are going to be there for officials in any BB game they call.

First most of the officials there were varsity officials of the Bluegrass Association. Some were JV.

 

Disagree. I thought the officiating and "she" you are referring to did a good job. I saw many games and they were not the determining factor in any games. I did see a missed call as well as missed shots that should have been made, unforced turnovers, bad calls from the coaches and the like. No one was perfect this weekend.

 

She took a lot of crap before she teed up the one coach and warned the others. I personally wouldn't have put up with it as long as she did and she showed great restraint in not ejecting the coach of the Warriors.

 

To speak on the coach (she was not involved in his ejection) that slammed his clipboard down (btw, you don't do it 5 seconds after you receive the first technical for slamming your clipboard) , wasn't he the one that had such great character that he called and coached from his cell phone to the bench after he was ejected. He had to get escorted from the building.

 

The complaining from coaches and parents were so bad, that the tournament manager had to tell the Wolfpack coaches that he was going to tell the officials to tee them up on the first incident in the championship game because he was tired of their whining and complaining. Heard that conversation with my own ears.

 

Saw another incident among parents in which they had to be separated after yelling at each other.

 

Officials shouldn't have to put up with the crap they have to put up with. I say eject more coaches and parents and they will clean up their act. Paying your admission does not give anyone the right to berate the official in an 11 year olds ball game.

I understand and agree, I just think it would help if they played in the right division. That is why there are two divisions. We are going to put together a team next season and we will be division1 and play division 1. You are probably correct about school and community teams not playing AAU anymore. Also, the Farmer kid for the Blaze sure is mature for his age.

 

Do you think??? He drove to the game...:lol::lol:

 

Is mom tall? Cause son is almost as tall as dad.

Is mom tall? Cause son is almost as tall as dad.

 

All three looked to me to be about the same height.

First most of the officials there were varsity officials of the Bluegrass Association. Some were JV.

 

Disagree. I thought the officiating and "she" you are referring to did a good job. I saw many games and they were not the determining factor in any games. I did see a missed call as well as missed shots that should have been made, unforced turnovers, bad calls from the coaches and the like. No one was perfect this weekend.

 

She took a lot of crap before she teed up the one coach and warned the others. I personally wouldn't have put up with it as long as she did and she showed great restraint in not ejecting the coach of the Warriors.

 

To speak on the coach (she was not involved in his ejection) that slammed his clipboard down (btw, you don't do it 5 seconds after you receive the first technical for slamming your clipboard) , wasn't he the one that had such great character that he called and coached from his cell phone to the bench after he was ejected. He had to get escorted from the building.

 

The complaining from coaches and parents were so bad, that the tournament manager had to tell the Wolfpack coaches that he was going to tell the officials to tee them up on the first incident in the championship game because he was tired of their whining and complaining. Heard that conversation with my own ears.

 

Saw another incident among parents in which they had to be separated after yelling at each other.

 

Officials shouldn't have to put up with the crap they have to put up with. I say eject more coaches and parents and they will clean up their act. Paying your admission does not give anyone the right to berate the official in an 11 year olds ball game.

 

I agree that some coaches and fans were out of line but some of the unprofessional behavior of a few of the refs escalated some situatuions. I saw a ref arguing with people in the stands while the game was in progress. My son heard a ref cuss a coach and call him names and in my opinion calls were made against kids just to get back at coaches and to show everyone who was in charge. I agree that if a coach, player or fan is out of line they should be warned, teed up, or ejected. Don't argue with them, cuss them or make bad calls to pay them back. I wonder why the coach who was ejected and then escorted out of the building was back on the bench coaching the next game. Shouldn't he have had to sit out the next game too?

First most of the officials there were varsity officials of the Bluegrass Association. Some were JV.

 

Disagree. I thought the officiating and "she" you are referring to did a good job. I saw many games and they were not the determining factor in any games. I did see a missed call as well as missed shots that should have been made, unforced turnovers, bad calls from the coaches and the like. No one was perfect this weekend.

 

She took a lot of crap before she teed up the one coach and warned the others. I personally wouldn't have put up with it as long as she did and she showed great restraint in not ejecting the coach of the Warriors.

 

To speak on the coach (she was not involved in his ejection) that slammed his clipboard down (btw, you don't do it 5 seconds after you receive the first technical for slamming your clipboard) , wasn't he the one that had such great character that he called and coached from his cell phone to the bench after he was ejected. He had to get escorted from the building.

 

The complaining from coaches and parents were so bad, that the tournament manager had to tell the Wolfpack coaches that he was going to tell the officials to tee them up on the first incident in the championship game because he was tired of their whining and complaining. Heard that conversation with my own ears.

 

Saw another incident among parents in which they had to be separated after yelling at each other.

 

Officials shouldn't have to put up with the crap they have to put up with. I say eject more coaches and parents and they will clean up their act. Paying your admission does not give anyone the right to berate the official in an 11 year olds ball game.

 

 

In general I thought the officiating was pretty good overall in the games I saw. And I certainly didn't indicate I thought officiating cost anybody a game. I usually feel the officiating has to be really bad to match the mistakes made by the teams, certainly at the 11-U level. But I still think some of the officials were way too sensitive to comments from the crowd and way too quick to dish out technical fouls.

 

As to the "she" I previously mentioned I only saw the one game she called, and had actually commented that I thought she was one of the better officials I had seen there. The only "missed" call I would have attributed to her was an obvious double dribble near the end of the game. But I still feel her involvement in the post-game discussion involving a coach and the other official was over the line and absolutely unnecessary. She should have left the discussion to her partner since he was the one being questioned. And, by the way, was handling the low-key "discussion" (no arguing, no loud voices, just discussion) very well.

 

I agree that a coach shouldn't do anything to antagonize the official after being "tee-d up" but I also think a wise official cuts some slack to a coach in that situation versus looking for more. And I certainly don't think what I saw the coach do with his clipboard fits the term "slamming" when it comes to the force with which he put it down on the chair next to where he was seated. Perhaps that act warrranted another warning but I don't feel it should have drawn another T. Just my opinion based on my years as an official.

 

Judging by the score of the game involving the team you mentioned that was "threatened" I'd assume there was no need for technicals in that game! :lol: