Judging on people's reaction by the first 2.5 weeks, if they sit down and realize we have 81 more 2.5-week-segments left in his term, people are going to need to be on suicide watch. :lol:

 

 

That's what I'm screamin'! :lol:

You were ready to support Obama, and you've given him 2 and a half weeks...pretty magnanimous of you, and darned patient if I do say so myself. :lol: I don't think that conservatives will be ignored in the next 4 years. In fact, I think that time will prove that Obama IS able to bring a new level of unity to the process. I also feel that there are some who pay lipservice to the idea of giving Obama a chance, but are absolutely ready to balk at every idea he proposes, for the simple sake of hoping he fails. If this country is to be united, all parties must make the effort. If people TRUELY want to give Obama a chance, they'll realize that 2 and a half weeks is only a small fraction of the next 4 years.

 

It seems like he's gone back on a lot of campaign promises in that short time...

 

No lobbyists in his administration....last I heard he had 17.

 

A questionnaire asking potential employees if they had anything in their past that might embarass him and his administration...how many has he nominated with problems, tax cheats or otherwise?

 

He claimed he was going to change Washington and he loves to use that line "politics as usual", yet that's all we're getting from him. He's shown nothing to make me believe he's going to be any different than every other politician.

 

There are a few other things I'm skeptical of from hearing some of his comments, but I'll wait and see how it plays out.

 

But, to date, he's done nothing to live up to the image he (and the media) helped create during his two year presidential campaign. He's not change...to borrow one of his favorite phrases, he is "politics as usual".

 

I can't say I'm surprised, but I was hoping to see better. In fairness though, it has been less than three weeks...there's still a lot of time and a lot to do to live up to his promises.

It seems like he's gone back on a lot of campaign promises in that short time...

 

No lobbyists in his administration....last I heard he had 17.

 

A questionnaire asking potential employees if they had anything in their past that might embarass him and his administration...how many has he nominated with problems, tax cheats or otherwise?

 

He claimed he was going to change Washington and he loves to use that line "politics as usual", yet that's all we're getting from him. He's shown nothing to make me believe he's going to be any different than every other politician.

 

There are a few other things I'm skeptical of from hearing some of his comments, but I'll wait and see how it plays out.

 

But, to date, he's done nothing to live up to the image he (and the media) helped create during his two year presidential campaign. He's not change...to borrow one of his favorite phrases, he is "politics as usual".

 

I can't say I'm surprised, but I was hoping to see better. In fairness though, it has been less than three weeks...there's still a lot of time and a lot to do to live up to his promises.

 

 

I will say this...there are some decisions I've questioned (lobbyists in the administration for instance). But, honestly, I am not going to write him off as politics as usual until I see the politics as usual playing out. In 2 and a half weeks, not much has really been done yet. I'm of the opinion that politics as usual are if his players behave as similar individuals have behaved in the past. I suspect, that although there may be some in his administration that people think are politics as usual, Obama's influence will ensure they are not playing politics as usual. (If any of that makes sense to anyone not in my mind. :lol:)

I will say this...there are some decisions I've questioned (lobbyists in the administration for instance). But, honestly, I am not going to write him off as politics as usual until I see the politics as usual playing out. In 2 and a half weeks, not much has really been done yet. I'm of the opinion that politics as usual are if his players behave as similar individuals have behaved in the past. I suspect, that although there may be some in his administration that people think are politics as usual, Obama's influence will ensure they are not playing politics as usual. (If any of that makes sense to anyone not in my mind. :lol:)

You have a quite high opinion of President Obama- you think that lobbyists won't "lobby" because of his influence? And, I assume, if they do act like typical politicians, you will automatically assume that they did so in spite of President Obama's best intentions. I'm not passing judgment yet either, but I don't intend to give President Obama a free ride. I hope you do the same :thumb:

You have a quite high opinion of President Obama- you think that lobbyists won't "lobby" because of his influence? And, I assume, if they do act like typical politicians, you will automatically assume that they did so in spite of President Obama's best intentions. I'm not passing judgment yet either, but I don't intend to give President Obama a free ride. I hope you do the same :thumb:

 

 

I'm quite willing to wait more than 2 and a half weeks before I decide he's a complete sham compared to what I believed.

I'm quite willing to wait more than 2 and a half weeks before I decide he's a complete sham compared to what I believed.

:thumb: Me too. He has till Tuesday.

Sorry about the rambling. This will be my last Thread Jack Post.

 

Why did the chair of the commission withdraw the charges? Did it have anything to do with Obama's pen stroke? Would this guy's charges (or whatever) be dropped if Bush was still president?

 

I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer but I do understand that this doesn't mean the prisoner will be released. It's my understanding that he will more than likely be moved to a prison near you where he will be furnished with a lawyer that could possibly get him released on some kind of technicality...Like one of our Marines not reading him his rights on the battlefield.

 

His trial will now become a media circus. He will be the center of attention. That is exactly what the terrorists want. Thanks to O, they're getting it!

 

I think the article answered some of those questions. It was a case dropped "without prejudices" which allows him to be charged further in a different venue.

 

The reason is also stated:

 

The charges were withdrawn without prejudice, meaning they later can be reinstated in a military commission or pursued in a civilian court. Al-Nashiri will remain in custody.

 

The original plan was for the announcement not to be made until after President Obama meets with the families of victims of terrorist attacks on 9/11 and on the U.S.S. Cole Friday afternoon, where he will assure them that this step was not done to be lenient towards al-Nashiri.

 

The move is being done to stop the continued prosecution of al-Nashiri in a court system that his administration may ultimately find illegitimate, not for any other reason, sources told ABC News.

 

President Obama has expressed concern about whether the military commissions set up by the Bush administration are the proper way to go forward in pursuing charges against the U.S. detainees, and on January 22 he asked all the judges supervising the trials of detainees for a continuance of 120 days, so a team of administration officials could review the best way forward.

 

Agree or disagree, it was all there in the article. :thumb:

I'm quite willing to wait more than 2 and a half weeks before I decide he's a complete sham compared to what I believed.

And then there are those of us that knew what he was long before he was elected. :eyeonyou:

And then there are those of us that knew what he was long before he was elected. :eyeonyou:

 

 

I don't believe that 2 and a half weeks of an administration in anyway constitute validation of anything you "knew" before he was elected. The only validation will be through the course of time. 2 and a half weeks is not a term.

I don't believe that 2 and a half weeks of an administration in anyway constitute validation of anything you "knew" before he was elected. The only validation will be through the course of time. 2 and a half weeks is not a term.

While I agree it's been a short period of time, he has shown his inexperience and his arrogance plainly. I, for one, am not a bit surprised.

Me, too!

 

Me, three!

OK, I'm a republican. Just wanted to get that out there.

 

I support some of the things that are in this bill (like a "smart grid", some of the alternative energy spending). But WHY is there no look at nuclear?

 

Obama says we have got to change. Nuclear gives us a clean and safe change. Its been proven in France and in our own nuclear ships.

 

One answer is regulation. Who sets these regulations? Hmm... I'll leave that up to you guys to answer.

 

Obama has NO answer for "energy independence" except for wind power. Thats all well and good, but there is no real proven way to "transport" wind power over long distances.

 

Energy independence is a long way out, until we get rid of the government regulations over nuclear.

 

Tell me how cheap nuclear power will not "stimulate" the ecomony?

 

All this government junk comes down to one point. If you rely on the government to do something for you, well then they will fail you. They can't do ONE thing ON TIME and ON BUDGET. We will be failed on way or the other.

 

While I think the smart grid can be very beneficial, there is a negative side of it for me. It doesn't just bring energy into your house, it takes information out of your house. I'm not one that's always trustful of the government, there has been talk from some about having a global financial system through the U.N., I'm not saying the Obama Administration is wanting to do that, it's just that with the current problems we're having, we can't be sure of anything these days. Sounds paranoid, I know, but who knows anymore?

Another problem I have is if they say your thermostat should be at 68 degrees and you like it at 74 would the government charge you for more per kilowatt? If they tell you it's best for you to use your dishwasher, or washing machine or clothes dryer at specific time, will they penalize you if you use it at a different time? I don't like the thought of that.

 

I'm with you on the nuclear solution. :thumb:

 

Me, too!

 

Me, three!

 

 

For those above, and any others interested, I brought back up an old thread regarding energy and possibilities.

 

http://www.bluegrasspreps.com/showthread.php?t=157218

I will say this...there are some decisions I've questioned (lobbyists in the administration for instance). But, honestly, I am not going to write him off as politics as usual until I see the politics as usual playing out. In 2 and a half weeks, not much has really been done yet. I'm of the opinion that politics as usual are if his players behave as similar individuals have behaved in the past. I suspect, that although there may be some in his administration that people think are politics as usual, Obama's influence will ensure they are not playing politics as usual. (If any of that makes sense to anyone not in my mind. :lol:)

 

I don't blame you for waiting...we're coming from two different spots. You were more on board with Obama. I was skeptical of him from the start. (That doesn't mean I'm not willing to give him a fair chance.)

 

But, from my starting point of skepticism, it looks really bad when he doesn't just break, but annihilates his promise of "no lobbyists". And, all signs to date point to politics as usual...how is recycling a large number of Clinton people going to "change" DC?

 

I feel like Obama has undermined his own authority as POTUS by brining in Hillary as SOS and hiring many of the former Clinton people. I could be wrong, but I don't think that was a good move on his part.

 

Additionally, I feel like Obama should have taken more of a role of leadership with regards to this stimulus. The impression I get is that he's allowed the House and Senate to take care of the bill, while his only job is to use his charisma, charm and good will with the people to try to drum up support and get this thing pushed through.

 

People complained about Bush and company using "politics of fear". Yet, it seems Obama is borrowing from that playbook in an attempt to get this stimulus package pushed through without putting the time into it to get the best bill possible.

 

JMO

 

The problem as I see it, from his perspective, is that his whole presidency could be defined by this bill. I think he'd be wise to get more involved and try to get as good a product as possible.

 

We'll see. Like I said, there's still a lot of time left for him to change things and do better. But, based on what he's done to date, I think my concerns are valid.

I'm quite willing to wait more than 2 and a half weeks before I decide he's a complete sham compared to what I believed.

 

I would call him a sham. Just a typical politician...he wouldn't be the first who failed to follow through on campaign promises.

 

Its just that with all the hype surrounding him, the stakes are higher, IMO. The same hype and coddling from the media that helped get him elected could be a nightmare for his presidency because he could be held to a higher standard than past politicians. I hope we (Americans) do start demanding more of our politicians...but, that could be bad for Obama and the current people in office.

 

If it plays out that way, this may have been the best thing to happen to our country...anything that would get us back on track of holding our leaders accountable and demanding responsibility would be a huge turn in the right direction.